[exe]

(Original post by ukip72)
UKIP is not associated with unsavoury views, that seems to be just you. UKIP wouldn't be polling 8% if people believed them to be racist. As for defence, British troops are fighting in Afghanistan and have been woefully under equipped, extra spending is just what we need. Recognising the problems of mass immigration is not scaremongering, because Labour and the Tories are afraid to speak about it UKIP should be applauded for being prepared to speak about it.

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

lol at this post. this discussion is for rational people, not nigel farage's cult of personality.

[Blutooth]

No, UKIP will do this country a lot of good-by not being soft on Europe. The people at the centre of this failed monetary union actually want complete political integration: no autonomy for governments, no say for the electorate of periphery states. All the big political decisions and spending being made by technocrats in Germany or Brussels.

Further integration won't sort out our economic problems, the European monetary union needs to be dissolved, so that countries like Greece and Spain can sort themselves out, lower their own interest rates and pump money into distressed banks. Nigel Farage is currently the only politician talking a tough enough stance with regard to Europe. If Tony Blair or the Liberal democrats had their way, we'd have been a part of the Euro. I no the tories would never have joined the Euro, but I still feel they need to be a bit tougher.

Edit: I'm black btw, not that that should make a difference.

[ukip72]

(Original post by Gales)
Yes, UKIP are homophobes.

Proof?

[johnaulich]

(Original post by Blutooth)
No, UKIP will do this country a lot of good-by not being soft on Europe. The people at the centre of this failed monetary-union actually want complete political integration: no autonomy for governments, no say for the electorate of periphery states. All the big political decisions and spending being made by technocrats in Germany or Brussels.

Further integration won't sort out our economic problems, the European monetary union needs to be dissolved, so that countries like Greece and Spain can sort themselves out, lower their own interest rates and get bailouts from their own banks. Nigel Farage is currently the only politician talking a tough enough stance with regard to Europe. If Gordon Brown or the Liberal democrats had their way, we'd have been a part of the Euro. I no the tories would never have joined the Euro, but I still feel they need to be a bit tougher on Europe.

You're dead wrong, part of Blair and Brown's rivalry was his insistence that the UK kept the Sterling. I know that doesn't change the thrust of your argument but I thought it needed pointing out.

[ukip72]

(Original post by exe)
lol at this post. this discussion is for rational people, not nigel farage's cult of personality.

So UKIP supporters can't be rational now? I'm not allowed to defend my own party when you attack it with complete nonsense?

[zara55]

(Original post by exe)
We all know UKIP is associated with some rather unsavoury views. People's views on Europe vary, so I'd like to keep their actual policies on Europe out of this thread, and concentrate on their other stuff, especially increasing defense spending and their immigration scaremongering. I fear that if they become mainstream the racist views of some people that doubtless are among their ranks may, in turn become mainstream also.

I've always thought them to be slightly idiotic and the more I listen to that loudmouth Farage with his half-baked understandings and wilful misunderstandings of things, the more I become convinced that they are majorly idiotic and not just slightly.

[Bellissima]

i don't really fear it because i don't expect them to get into any serious power... unless something bad happens with the economy that people can take their dislike of any foreigners further and those who wouldn't have voted before would vote.

i don't know how likely it is but maybe i shouldn't underestimate them, i just don't think it's going to happen. the people who would potentially vote for them already have a vote invested in the tories. to be honest whenever i see someone with UKIP banners (living in a white middle class area there's a few around at election times) i just roll my eyes.

i actually think they are a lot more of a threat than the BNP though because they aren't as extreme so people are less likely to push them aside. at least BNP make their intentions clear.


tbh my main issue with UKIP, aside from the fact i think they are just toning down their real intentions so they don't appear as crazy as BNP, is the "Our way of Life" part of their policies. i really take issue with that. that should not be part of a policy.

[Gales]

(Original post by ukip72)
Proof?

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/27...raight-people/
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/0...-paddick-soho/
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/11/05...of-homophobia/

[johnaulich]

(Original post by ukip72)
So UKIP supporters can't be rational now? I'm not allowed to defend my own party when you attack it with complete nonsense?

No, it is not that you can't be rational, it is that you are not being rational. Saying things like 'other politicians are afraid to speak out about immigration while farage and his troupe should be commended for doing so' is simply a way of enforcing his cult of personality, it is not a political argument. Has it ever occurred to you that for other politicians to 'speak out' about immigration, they have to have something against it? You are making this about which politicians you feel are scared, not about their ideological or pragmatic positions on the matter. It's UKIP propaganda made to make out like there's only one secret opinion, and only he and his brave troupe dare carry its standard. That's simply not the case.

[ultimate mashup]

The UKIP are the only serious party that want to get us out of the EU but at the same time maintain the all important trade links.

This can only be a good thing, I can't understand why this hasn't happened years ago.

[A Mysterious Lord]

(Original post by Gales)
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/04/27...raight-people/
http://politicalscrapbook.net/2012/0...-paddick-soho/
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/11/05...of-homophobia/

Allegations and hearsay =/= fact.

[Jack22031994]

Only because I'm a Conservative Party member as they may cost us a lot if votes


This was posted from The Student Room's iPhone/iPad App

[ukip72]

(Original post by Jack22031994)
Only because I'm a Conservative Party member as they may cost us a lot if votes

It's the Tories own fault.

[Blutooth]

(Original post by johnaulich)
You're dead wrong, part of Blair and Brown's rivalry was his insistence that the UK kept the Sterling. I know that doesn't change the thrust of your argument but I thought it needed pointing out.

You are of course right, I guess my disliking of GB caused a temporary brain malfunction. That was the one of the few good things GB did as chancellor, and he deserves to be commended for it. Tony Blair on the other hand...

[Negaduck]

I get scared at every election because it usually means bad news for me no matter who wins.

[hughcapet]

(Original post by johnaulich)
You're dead wrong, part of Blair and Brown's rivalry was his insistence that the UK kept the Sterling. I know that doesn't change the thrust of your argument but I thought it needed pointing out.

Of course, there is the argument that Brown had no principled opposition to the euro, but knew just how unpopular it was with the British public and that it would screw up his chances of becoming prime minister if he's allowed it to go ahead.

Not saying that was the case, but it sounds plausible.

[hughcapet]

(Original post by Bellissima)
i think they are just toning down their real intentions so they don't appear as crazy as BNP

Fair enough, we all have our opinions. I take it you have strong evidence to back up that argument?

(Original post by Bellissima)
tbh my main issue with UKIP, is the "Our way of Life" part of their policies. i really take issue with that. that should not be part of a policy.

Examples?

[johnaulich]

(Original post by hughcapet)
Of course, there is the argument that Brown had no principled opposition to the euro, but knew just how unpopular it was with the British public and that it would screw up his chances of becoming prime minister if he's allowed it to go ahead.

Not saying that was the case, but it sounds plausible.

That's not an argument, it's pure conjecture .

Just to Clarify: Brown set up 5 'tests' to determine readiness to join, none of which were met. When or if these economic tests were met, this would be followed by a referendum... then the crisis happened and obviously that was that.

[navarre]

(Original post by exe)
We all know UKIP is associated with some rather unsavoury views. People's views on Europe vary, so I'd like to keep their actual policies on Europe out of this thread, and concentrate on their other stuff, especially increasing defense spending and their immigration scaremongering. I fear that if they become mainstream the racist views of some people that doubtless are among their ranks may, in turn become mainstream also.

So your biggest fear is an imaginary presence of racism in a small, insignificant party that you have no evidence to back up?

Do you not have a social life, or have I missed something here?

[Bellissima]

(Original post by hughcapet)
Fair enough, we all have our opinions. I take it you have strong evidence to back up that argument?



Examples?

it is my personal feeling that i get off of them; when i hear their politicians speak and when i read their policies. if you disagree that is fine but i doubt i would ever vote for them, mainly for that reason. i have also seen/read some unsavoury things from candidates.

it's on their website.