[johnaulich]

(Original post by Samd603)
A bigger armed forces would mean a lot more jobs, especially for people who come from deprived areas and have little prospects of a stable career; and it would also mean having more influence abroad. Do you think Syria would be so defiant of foreign pressure if there were three state of the art aircraft carriers in striking distance? When the Falklands were invaded in 1982, Britain responded with a task force of over one hundred ships; today, Britain lacks the military resources to mobilise any sort of task force without help from allied nations. Not so good if no one really fancies getting involved, which is exactly what happened in 1982.

Mass immigration has devastated communities more than anyone cares to realise, to such an extent where people fear to go outside at night because drunk eastern Europeans rule the streets. Would you like to see your child in a school where students with English as their first language are in a minority? And not to mention the thousands of menial jobs that they have taken away from unskilled British workers.

UKIP are the only party committed to addressing these problems.

I think you need to do a little more research before you go comparing them to the National Front.

You should listen to yourself from time to time. You think the way to solve the issue of poverty is to ship them off somewhere foreign to be a shot at? What when they come back? Whose going to pay for their healthcare (both mental and/or physical?) or are you praying they just get filled with led? Always the ****ing same, the big guys have a scrap and the little guys end up dead in a ditch somewhere.

[Party Pack]

I will vote UKIP

[Monkey_Pete]

anyone read what they plan to do with tax. Merger income tax and national insurance into one, and have the starting point for tax at minimum wage level. So if you are busting your gut at a minimum wage job struggling to pay rent/bills/food, this would be a great help.

[johnaulich]

(Original post by Monkey_Pete)
anyone read what they plan to do with tax. Merger income tax and national insurance into one, and have the starting point for tax at minimum wage level. So if you are busting your gut at a minimum wage job struggling to pay rent/bills/food, this would be a great help.

There is no 'starting point' - they want a flat tax. That means the poorest taxable people will have the same percentage of their income taxed as the very richest.

[Monkey_Pete]

(Original post by johnaulich)
There is no 'starting point' - they want a flat tax. That means the poorest taxable people will have the same percentage of their income taxed as the very richest.

directly from their website "At the last election we opted to merge 20% basic income tax with 11% national insurance to create a 31% flat tax on all earned incomes over £11,500. As a tax cut for all, with a higher threshold, it would also take the poorest paid out of income tax altogether"

so the poorest would pay no tax, therefor would not have the same percentage taxed as the very richest, who would be paying 31% on everything over £11,500. unless that phrase means something different to you

[Mendeleev's Table]

(Original post by johnaulich)
Apart from the jingoism, the (supposed) racism, and general immigration scaremongering, the thing that worries me about UKIP most is their tax policy, which includes the abolition of inheritance tax altogether; reduction of corporation tax, and a flat rate of income tax.

Why is it so terrifying for the poster above to have their child in a school where English as a first language is in the minority? The lessons are taught in English and kids pick it up quickly. This is the kind of language UKIP use instead of saying what they actually mean. People who don't have English as their first language are not English, so let me correct that for you:

'Do you want your child to go to a school where he could mix with people of different nationalities and/or races?'

And my answer to that, is a firm yes. Hopefully it would stop him/her turning out like you.

What is wrong with the tax policy you outlined?

[johnaulich]

(Original post by Monkey_Pete)
directly from their website "At the last election we opted to merge 20% basic income tax with 11% national insurance to create a 31% flat tax on all earned incomes over £11,500. As a tax cut for all, with a higher threshold, it would also take the poorest paid out of income tax altogether"

so the poorest would pay no tax, therefor would not have the same percentage taxed as the very richest, who would be paying 31% on everything over £11,500. unless that phrase means something different to you

That's why I said poorest taxable, rather than poorest in general. On a 37 hour work week, minimum wage workers would be paying the same proportion of their income in tax than someone who claims a 'bonus package' each year.

[Spaz Man]

It's only "unsavoury" if people don't vote for them. They got 1 million votes at the 2010 general election so those people most obviously like their policies.

[johnaulich]

(Original post by Mendeleev's Table)
What is wrong with the tax policy you outlined?

Abolition of inheritance tax perpetuates the problem of 'old money' (i.e. money that is taken out of the economy, stored up in huge quantities, passed on from one generation to another, never spent, and allows those lucky enough to inherit it to sit on their asses indefinitely. Lower corporation tax will (in the upper brackets) allow multinationals to waltz in and undercut small businesses even more than they do already. A flat rate of tax favours the better off.

[Mendeleev's Table]

(Original post by johnaulich)
Abolition of inheritance tax perpetuates the problem of 'old money' (i.e. money that is taken out of the economy, stored up in huge quantities, passed on from one generation to another, never spent, and allows those lucky enough to inherit it to sit on their asses indefinitely. Lower corporation tax will (in the upper brackets) allow multinationals to waltz in and undercut small businesses even more than they do already. A flat rate of tax favours the better off.

1. Why is it a problem if I want to give my estate to one of my children when I die?
2. Corporation tax is not paid solely by evil multinationals
3. Could you put forward an argument better than taxing the rich, just because they are rich, please?

[Jack22031994]

(Original post by johnaulich)
Abolition of inheritance tax perpetuates the problem of 'old money' (i.e. money that is taken out of the economy, stored up in huge quantities, passed on from one generation to another, never spent, and allows those lucky enough to inherit it to sit on their asses indefinitely. Lower corporation tax will (in the upper brackets) allow multinationals to waltz in and undercut small businesses even more than they do already. A flat rate of tax favours the better off.

What?!? Inheritance tax should be abolished as in my view it's morally wrong and what's wrong with low corporation taxes? What's wrong with people undercutting eachother, it is a free market after all?


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[knoxuk]

(Original post by ukip72)
UKIP is not associated with unsavoury views, that seems to be just you. UKIP wouldn't be polling 8% if people believed them to be racist. As for defence, British troops are fighting in Afghanistan and have been woefully under equipped, extra spending is just what we need. Recognising the problems of mass immigration is not scaremongering, because Labour and the Tories are afraid to speak about it UKIP should be applauded for being prepared to speak about it.

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

This.

[modernmorris]

Do you actually do any research? you're supposed to be a "student" well if you took your head out of your ar*e before spouting such nonsense you'd know UKIP has a full manifesto of sensible policies and is racist in no way! if anything ukip is the only nationalist party with the interests of britain first, if you're looking for a racist party try nick griffin's bnp and stop talking utter rubbish! idiot!

[T.Fleming]

I would fear a rise of UKIP, however, thankfully due to our electoral system the possibility of it is slim; only if the UK were to adopt a proportional system would UKIP ever have a real chance of electoral success.

I don't believe the hype that UKIP is full of racists and ex-BNP members, but they are still far too conservative for my liking! Vote old Labour.

[Stiff Little Fingers]

(Original post by Mendeleev's Table)
1. Why is it a problem if I want to give my estate to one of my children when I die?
2. Corporation tax is not paid solely by evil multinationals
3. Could you put forward an argument better than taxing the rich, just because they are rich, please?

1. It's not, what is a problem is removing that money from the economy.
2. No, but a lower corporation tax benefits the bigger companies, which includes the multinationals.
3. If you've a greater ability to pay, you should pay a greater amount so as those with little money to be able to give up through taxation are able to keep more of their income for basic needs (food, utility bills etc.)

[modernmorris]

Old labour doesn't exist anymore, you have conservatives or their labour clones singing the same songs, the only way the uk will ever escape the corruption and domination of the EU is to vote for a party that doesn't collaborate with the invaders (EU) and that's ukip, try looking at the website, you people may actually learn something, I've been around a long time, I remember 1973 and the lies we were told, the common market has evolved into a german controlled european government hell bent on control and european domination, the EU drives countries into bankruptcy and then picks up the reigns, you should be concentrating on re-gaining OUR country for the BRITISH people, just like millions died for in 2 world wars instead of just handing it over, it's your future and if you want to be a subject of an over taxed dominated by rules & regs regime you carry on putting down the only saviour you may have, UKIP

[johnaulich]

(Original post by Mendeleev's Table)
1. Why is it a problem if I want to give my estate to one of my children when I die?
2. Corporation tax is not paid solely by evil multinationals
3. Could you put forward an argument better than taxing the rich, just because they are rich, please?

1. There's no problem, your child is just expected to pay some tax on it. Fair game I would say, given that he didn't even earn it.

2. I know that, which is why I put upper tier in brackets.

3. I'm an egalitarian. I think the rich should be taxed more than the poor in order to encourage wealth distribution and improve services across the board.

[johnaulich]

(Original post by Jack22031994)
What?!? Inheritance tax should be abolished as in my view it's morally wrong and what's wrong with low corporation taxes? What's wrong with people undercutting eachother, it is a free market after all?


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Yes it is a free market, doesn't mean I have to like it.

[T.Fleming]

(Original post by modernmorris)
Old labour doesn't exist anymore, you have conservatives or their labour clones singing the same songs, the only way the uk will ever escape the corruption and domination of the EU is to vote for a party that doesn't collaborate with the invaders (EU) and that's ukip, try looking at the website, you people may actually learn something, I've been around a long time, I remember 1973 and the lies we were told, the common market has evolved into a german controlled european government hell bent on control and european domination, the EU drives countries into bankruptcy and then picks up the reigns, you should be concentrating on re-gaining OUR country for the BRITISH people, just like millions died for in 2 world wars instead of just handing it over, it's your future and if you want to be a subject of an over taxed dominated by rules & regs regime you carry on putting down the only saviour you may have, UKIP

I am a Labour Party supporter, and I personally would like to see a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU; there are rumours and suggestions that the Labour Party may put a referendum in their next manifesto. My problems with UKIP are not over their European policy, but everything else! It would like be returning to a Thatcherite Britain.

[Hobo389]

Healthy debate is only ever good, UKIP seem to be rather good at it too. You should never fear a challenge to your views or that of the majority of people.