Which is the Most Dangerous Threat to Society?
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Which is the Most Dangerous Threat to Society?Patriotism / pseudo-Patriotism
Out of the above two, which one would you consider the most dangerous threat to society?
Personally, I think that old fashioned patriotism has been weakened somewhat, and it seems to only pervade as much in the military and perhaps amongst the older generation i.e., 70+.
I think that pseudo-Patriotism - which involves football hooliganism and chanting, racism, independence from another country, royal celebrations, the Olympics, advertising, merchandise, forces recruitment, the BNP, the SNP, EDL, and propaganda from media and government, and so forth - now seems the most dangerous if kept unchecked. -
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Re: Which is the Most Dangerous Threat to Society?Your definitions are ridiculous. You can't group racism and football hooliganism with Royal celebrations and the Olympics. Sadly, it's people like you who perpetuate the myth that pride in one's country is something to be ashamed of and abolished.(Original post by Martyn*)
Patriotism / pseudo-Patriotism
Out of the above two, which one would you consider the most dangerous threat to society?
Personally, I think that old fashioned patriotism has been weakened somewhat, and it seems to only pervade as much in the military and perhaps amongst the older generation i.e., 70+.
I think that pseudo-Patriotism - which involves football hooliganism and chanting, racism, independence from another country, royal celebrations, the Olympics, advertising, merchandise, forces recruitment, the BNP, the SNP, EDL, and propaganda from media and government, and so forth - now seems the most dangerous if kept unchecked. -
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Re: Which is the Most Dangerous Threat to Society?Of course you can! They are all means to shore up patriotic fervour. In royal celebrations people often wave the British flag in honour of the royal establishment which is suredly a mark of the British Empire and is tied to the country. The irony is that the Royals are Germans and Greeks, however. Still, with much flag waving, showing national pride in one's country, the land as the 'New Jerusalem', the preaching of military supremicism, and much chanting about Rule Britania, and not to mention, all this going on at the Olympics as well when teams represent their country, when they stand proudly looking at the sky as they hear (or sing) their country's national anthem, all of this is either a means to shore up patriotic feelings, to keep it alive, or to sublimate it into something much more dangerous. The media and the government are all implicit in this.(Original post by FrogInABog)
Your definitions are ridiculous. You can't group racism and football hooliganism with Royal celebrations and the Olympics. Sadly, it's people like you who perpetuate the myth that pride in one's country is something to be ashamed of and abolished.
What I am saying is that the real monster of patriotism could break-out at any moment. All that is needed is the right ingredients. When there is a need for a war, the motive of government and media is to shore up support for it by stressing Nationalism and Patriotism. It is not improbable that certain influential people want war and to that extent actively do all they can to stoke the fires of patriotic fervour, to rouse the rabble so-to-speak. The Nazis did it, and the British Empire did it, and many people in our society today are nostalgic for it. -
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Re: Which is the Most Dangerous Threat to Society?I offered a phenomenological definition. Or at least I think I did.(Original post by gladders)
It seems pseudo-racism is essentially 'everything Martyn hates'. There's no scientific definition offered. -
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Re: Which is the Most Dangerous Threat to Society?One thing you fail to see, is that Patriotism in moderation is a very good thing, as it can unite a country under one banner and gives people a sense of duty to their fellow countrymen and their country itself.(Original post by Martyn*)
Of course you can! They are all means to shore up patriotic fervour. In royal celebrations people often wave the British flag in honour of the royal establishment which is suredly a mark of the British Empire and is tied to the country. The irony is that the Royals are Germans and Greeks, however. Still, with much flag waving, showing national pride in one's country, the land as the 'New Jerusalem', the preaching of military supremicism, and much chanting about Rule Britania, and not to mention, all this going on at the Olympics as well when teams represent their country, when they stand proudly looking at the sky as they hear (or sing) their country's national anthem, all of this is either a means to shore up patriotic feelings, to keep it alive, or to sublimate it into something much more dangerous. The media and the government are all implicit in this.
What I am saying is that the real monster of patriotism could break-out at any moment. All that is needed is the right ingredients. When there is a need for a war, the motive of government and media is to shore up support for it by stressing Nationalism and Patriotism. It is not improbable that certain influential people want war and to that extent actively do all they can to stoke the fires of patriotic fervour, to rouse the rabble so-to-speak. The Nazis did it, and the British Empire did it, and many people in our society today are nostalgic for it. -
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Re: Which is the Most Dangerous Threat to Society?Pseudo-patriotism, but it's only the fault of the people who effectively banned normal patriotism only to have it replaced with something more sinister. The Nazis were a product of a society which had no self confidence.
Ah yes, wouldn't want to cross those Radical Islams(Original post by Ray Bradbury)
Radical Islam.
If they could have gotten their hands on a nuclear device instead of a couple of planes, Manhattan would be a smouldering pile of radioactive rubble.Last edited by TheHansa; 19-06-2012 at 10:10.
