[Maker]

(Original post by Aeschylus)
I see you trollin.

I ain't hatin though.

Ain't trollin' if its true and it is

[qua]

(Original post by The Dufmeister)
No Im not.

Whats better? A really well taught arts degree or a badly taught science degree?

You would say the arts degree.

I would say the science degree, as you maximise your future earnings.

No confusion on my side.

Doesn't necessarily speak in your favour, sir.

EDIT: You talked about the "best" course and the "best" uni, so what does "best" imply, if not quality?

[Aeschylus]

(Original post by Maker)
Ain't trollin' if its true and it is

Meh I know history of art students getting into well-paid jobs and physics and chemistry students unemployed for over a year. The history of arts students networked and made friends and worked their ways to jobs. The physics and chemistry students assumed that because they did physics and chemistry they'd walk into jobs. They can't even get retail work.

Anecdotal evidence but what have you.

[wanderlust.xx]

I had a similar dilemma. In these trying times, my advice to all A2 students is always to weigh the following two options:

"take the science subject that you hate the least" VS "do the arts subject you love".

Figure that out and you're gold.

[The Dufmeister]

(Original post by qua)
Doesn't necessarily speak in your favour, sir.

EDIT: You talked about the "best" course and the "best" uni, so what does "best" imply, if not quality?

Future economic potential of course. The reason most people get an education.

[AspiringGenius]

What are you AaS levels?

[Smack]

Decide what you want to do after university, then what you need to study at university will become more clear.

[Maker]

(Original post by Aeschylus)
Meh I know history of art students getting into well-paid jobs and physics and chemistry students unemployed for over a year. The history of arts students networked and made friends and worked their ways to jobs. The physics and chemistry students assumed that because they did physics and chemistry they'd walk into jobs. They can't even get retail work.

Anecdotal evidence but what have you.

You are using an argument from ignorance, unsurprisingly since you did not do science.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence, its individual experience. You must know very few people if all the science grads you personally know are unemployed and I am sure you are aware that most science grads are employed so you are being deliberately selective as to invalidate what you have written.

No wonder some arts grads do so poorly in the jobs market if they fail to see something so obvious if I only went by my experience of you.

[ThumbsUp]

(Original post by gingermitch)
Everyone keeps asking me what I want to study at university and I reply with the same three words 'I don't know'. Most people have a clear(ish) idea of what they want to study but I really can't decide between

-Law/Business
-Medicine/Biology related courses
-Art/Design related courses (ie graphic design)

all of which are completely different.

I'm predicted 5A's, and I'm not particularly incredible or terrible at any course. I love so many things I simply cannot pick. I find law & businesses' main weaknesses are that I may find the course boring, but I see myself in that kind of job(managing people). I find Biology interesting, and would love to study Medicine, however the competition, risk of rejection and demanding lifestyle puts me off. I additionally love designing and being creative but fear a course in for example Graphic Design would not leave me with a secure job at the end of it.

Does anyone have any opinions or ways in which I can sway my mind toward a particular course? I'm really running out of time (especially with medicine, would need lots more work exprerience) as UCAS applications are later this year.

Please help, sooo stressed!

Science + arts = architecture

My dad is an architect and 30 years on he loves his job!

assuming you have maths and an arts subject with decent grades your pretty much there

[Aeschylus]

(Original post by Maker)
You are using an argument from ignorance, unsurprisingly since you did not do science.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence, its individual experience. You must know very few people if all the science grads you personally know are unemployed and I am sure you are aware that most science grads are employed so you are being deliberately selective as to invalidate what you have written.

No wonder some arts grads do so poorly in the jobs market if they fail to see something so obvious if I only went by my experience of you.

I said my experience was anecdotal and qualified it as such. I never said all science graduates are unemployed. I said a few I know were unemployed whereas some arts students doing a subject you sneer at are employed. You said that science = proper job, but I have experience that contradicts your sweeping statement. Now it's 'most science grads are employed' - not necessarily in scientific jobs though. Getting placement in jobs in say pharmaceutical companies is very hard, as I have seen from second hand experience. To imply as you have that all science grads appart from vocational degrees will find a scientific job is disingenuous - I saw many science grads on the generic job schemes that I was applying for. While I have friends doing industrial placements with jobs, a few else have either no jobs are doing further education or are in part time jobs waiting for applications to roll round. Like arts and humantiies students acutally.

[Maker]

(Original post by Aeschylus)
I said my experience was anecdotal and qualified it as such. I never said all science graduates are unemployed. I said a few I know were unemployed whereas some arts students doing a subject you sneer at are employed. You said that science = proper job, but I have experience that contradicts your sweeping statement. Now it's 'most science grads are employed' - not necessarily in scientific jobs though. Getting placement in jobs in say pharmaceutical companies is very hard, as I have seen from second hand experience. To imply as you have that all science grads appart from vocational degrees will find a scientific job is disingenuous - I saw many science grads on the generic job schemes that I was applying for. While I have friends doing industrial placements with jobs, a few else have either no jobs are doing further education or are in part time jobs waiting for applications to roll round. Like arts and humantiies students acutally.

I can see you took my statements rather at face value and of course meant to be humourous like some other I expect arts people who have had a humour bypass.

Funny enough, I am a science grad but now work as an self employed artist.

[SofiaSalento]

I'd do business because it opens a variety of doors for you. Where as the other subjects are more set paths.....although if you're good at everything, you could always do Education!

[Spellstheend]

http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/students...s-science.aspx
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/basc/
http://www.kcl.ac.uk/prospectus/unde.../liberal-arts/

[Marsha2112]

Do architecture?

[barney225]

the same thing happened to me, i couldnt choose between science and arts, i like arts a lot more, but all my family are from science backgrounds and i do also enjoy biology a lot too. i found an amazing course at ucl when i was looking at unis, it was a mixture of so many different subjects it was my dream course, i got an offer but didnt get the grades for it, which im still pretty bummed about a year on and i stupidly decided not to go on a gap year because of the fee rise, but i kinda wish i had.

the course at ucl was called human sciences, but i know they do this other one aswell which combines arts and science but i dont know what its called.

look around at lots of different unis if you have so many interests sometimes its best to pick one and pursue the rest in societies or extra curricular stuff,that will probably improve your career prospects too and remember you can always do a law/medicine conversion course if you want to afterwards.

i have exactly the same problem and it is kinda annoying that when to this level you have to specialise and you have to choose between arts or sciences, but there are courses out there, and quite a few combined ones, but some got cut after the government messed everything up. have a look at keele university they specialise in dual honours, my friend does biology and english lit-they dont really go together but i guess it will make you stand out? liverpool,keele,lancaster,durham and exeter, manchester and sussex i know all do some sort of combined courses or did last year

hope that helps

[Colour Me Pretty]

Do what you love, and ignore all the pretentious science students on here.

I think it's worth noting that NO degree (except medicine) guarantees you a job at the end of it. What many people don't realise is that you have to make the effort to make the most out of your university experience and make sure you've got experience related to the field you want to pursue underneath your belt.

[harrykeys]

when i was younger and people asked me what i wanted to be i would always reply an artist. As i grew older that dream faded and i was more driven to study subjects like business and law because of the financial benifits. I was on track to study business law at degree level and offers to study via work placement in a large company. After some time i soon realised that i actually hated it and that it didnt excite me. This year i dropped everything to study art and i dont regret a thing. Who says you cant earn alot from being an arist? follow your dreams.

[FDR]

My best mate's uncle's cousin's second auntie has a dog, and the dog has a dog walker who has a science degree.

Therefore, it can be concluded that if you do a science degree, you will end up as a dog walker.

[CJKay]

(Original post by 69!)
Don't listen to these guys! Follow your dreams! Do an art based degree! Sure, you won't make much, but if you shop around heroin is pretty cheap anyway.

I'd thumb up but I've run out.

[ShimmeringSparkle]

choose science. Then you might get a job