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  1. yellowsquirrel's Avatar
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    FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    I am taking the FP2 exam this thurs and panicking! I need at least a B in f.maths and FP3 didn't go so well

    I am trying to do some hyperbolic functions questions can anyone help?
    1) given that sin(3x) = 3sin(x) - 4(sin^3(x)) and cos(3x) = 4(cos^3(x)) - 3cos(x) find expressions for sinh(3u) in terms of sinhu and cosh(3u) in terms of coshu

    thank you

    seriously stressing about these exams now
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    for the first identity, change the negative sign to a positive and change terms to hyperbolic, 2nd one, just change terms to hyperbolic (working on explaining why)
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    Osborne's rule rule: product of two sine's, switch the sign for sinh.
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    Osborne's rule: YGM
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    (Original post by Emissionspectra)
    Osborne's rule: YGM
    big help!

    here:

    i`ll do the first one, even though your not meant to - then you might be able to do the 2nd:

    we can write sinh(3x) as:

    sinh(3x)= sinh(2x+x) = (sinh2x)(coshx)+(cosh2x)(sinhx)

    =(2sinhx)(cosh^2(x))+sinh(x)+(co sh2x)(sinhx)

    factorise here:

    sinh(x)(2cosh^2(x)+cosh(2x))

    = sinh(x)[2(1+sinh^2(x))+(1+2sinh^2(x)]

    =sinh(x)(3+4sinh^2(x))
    =
    3sinh(x)+4sinh^3(x)
    Last edited by Hasufel; 17-06-2012 at 21:30.
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    note: for hyperbolic functions, sinh(A+B) =sinhAcoshB+coshAsinhB

    and cosh^2(x) = 1+2sinh^2(x)

    these are the ones i`ve used for sinh(x) - use the corresponding ones for cosh
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    Of course, one can say that that the sinxsiny terms in trig identities become -sinhxsinhy terms in hyperbolic identities because of Osborne's rule, which you can directly apply for "simple" trig identity sin(3x) = 3sinx - 4sin^3(x) vs. sinh(3x) = 3sinhx + 4sinh^3(x).
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    (Original post by Hasufel)
    note: for hyperbolic functions, sinh(A+B) =sinhAcoshB+coshAsinhB

    and cosh^2(x) = 1+2sinh^2(x)

    these are the ones i`ve used for sinh(x) - use the corresponding ones for cosh
    You are supposed to use Osborne's rule.
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    Notice that you have

    \sinh(i\theta) = \frac{1}{2}(e^{i\theta} - e^{-i\theta}) = i\sin(\theta)

    and

    \cosh(i\theta) = \frac{1}{2}(e^{i\theta} + e^{-i\theta}) = \cos(\theta)


    Hence, you find that \ \sin(i\theta) = i\sinh(\theta) and \cos(i\theta) = \cosh(\theta).

    Now you see that \ \sin^2(i\theta) = -\sinh^2(\theta), but that cosine remains the same.

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    Now, if you have

    \sin(3\theta) = 3\sin(\theta) - 4\sin^3(\theta)

    then, you could stick in \theta = ix to get

    i\sinh(3x) = 3i\sinh(x) + 4i\sinh^3(x)

    which simplifies to

    \sinh(3x) = 3\sinh(x) + 4\sinh^3(x)

    the desired formula.



    For the A-level exam, I suppose you could simply write down the answer and quote Osborne's rule.
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    Sin(3x)= 3sinx - 4sin^3x

    Notice: sin^3x= sinx*sinx*sinx

    Since you have a product of two sin's there, you need to reverse it's sign to form an equation for sinh(3x).

    Hence:

    sinh(3x)= 3sinhx +4sinh^3(x)
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    (Original post by yellowsquirrel)
    I am taking the FP2 exam this thurs and panicking! I need at least a B in f.maths and FP3 didn't go so well

    I am trying to do some hyperbolic functions questions can anyone help?
    1) given that sin(3x) = 3sin(x) - 4(sin^3(x)) and cos(3x) = 4(cos^3(x)) - 3cos(x) find expressions for sinh(3u) in terms of sinhu and cosh(3u) in terms of coshu

    thank you

    seriously stressing about these exams now
    Do you know the complex numbers, and the Euler's identity?
    e^{ix}=cosx+i\cdot sinx So for negative x
    e^{-ix}=cosx-i\cdot sinx
    from these
    \frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2}=sinh(ix)=i\cdot sinx
    similarly
    cosh(ix)=cosx
    Substituting ix=u and using that, by definition i^2=-1 so f.e. i^3=-i you will get the formulas.
    Last edited by ztibor; 18-06-2012 at 09:27.
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    (Original post by jack.hadamard)
    You are supposed to use Osborne's rule.
    Spoiler:
    Show

    Notice that you have

    \sinh(i\theta) = \frac{1}{2}(e^{i\theta} - e^{-i\theta}) = i\sin(\theta)

    and

    \cosh(i\theta) = \frac{1}{2}(e^{i\theta} + e^{-i\theta}) = \cos(\theta)


    Hence, you find that \ \sin(i\theta) = i\sinh(\theta) and \cos(i\theta) = \cosh(\theta).

    Now you see that \ \sin^2(i\theta) = -\sinh^2(\theta), but that cosine remains the same.

    Spoiler:
    Show

    Now, if you have

    \sin(3\theta) = 3\sin(\theta) - 4\sin^3(\theta)

    then, you could stick in \theta = ix to get

    i\sinh(3x) = 3i\sinh(x) + 4i\sinh^3(x)

    which simplifies to

    \sinh(3x) = 3\sinh(x) + 4\sinh^3(x)

    the desired formula.



    For the A-level exam, I suppose you could simply write down the answer and quote Osborne's rule.
    i have

    http://mathworld.wolfram.com/OsbornesRule.html ALL OF THESE pertain to osborne the RULE - singular

    question: find expressions for (NOT by direct substitution from osborne)
    to OP: you choose what you think is easiest. That`s why people post hints here. (you`re not just meant to post formulas)
    Last edited by Hasufel; 18-06-2012 at 21:45.
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    But obviously, if the question is only worth 1-2 marks, you need only apply Osborne's Rule.
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    (Original post by Hasufel)
    question: find expressions for (NOT by direct substitution from osborne)
    I don't like capital letters. I did not just post a formula, but showed to you how you derive it!

    You seem to be missing the point of the question. It is all about Osborne's rule.
    It asks you to provide the hyperbolic identity given the trigonometric identity.
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    Re: FP2 Hyperbolic functions please help
    (Original post by Hasufel)
    big help!

    here:

    i`ll do the first one, even though your not meant to - then you might be able to do the 2nd:

    we can write sinh(3x) as:

    sinh(3x)= sinh(2x+x) = (sinh2x)(coshx)+(cosh2x)(sinhx)

    =(2sinhx)(cosh^2(x))+sinh(x)+(co sh2x)(sinhx)

    factorise here:

    sinh(x)(2cosh^2(x)+cosh(2x))

    = sinh(x)[2(1+sinh^2(x))+(1+2sinh^2(x)]

    =sinh(x)(3+4sinh^2(x))
    =
    3sinh(x)+4sinh^3(x)
    Thanks so much I managed to do the other one now

    Thanks everyone and good luck to the ppl taking it on thurs!
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