(Original post by PianoKeys4)
I'm not dodging any fact. You said that it is absurd to think that God would die for our sins. I said that I think it is beyond awe and a testament to his overwhelming love for us. - So God loves us to much that he "dies" for our sins? Yes you are dodging the fact that it is impossible for God to be killed. If God can die, he is not God, he is just a powerful entity.
The Father is not His own Son. He is a separate, distinguishable and individual Person of the Godhead. Yes, Christ allowed Himself to die on the cross, through His own will. Of course I can't back out of that, because that is
part of my belief. - Actually, the father is his own son in accord to Christian teachings. If you could leave your protective bubble for a minute and think of what we are discussing impartially, that would be nice. So once again, what I described is Christianity because you just confirmed that my comparison to Greek "Gods" is correct. He is either as I said it or the other way I said it, that is, His own son/father/son/father (paradox again..) or a separate entity with God powers.
If you're making an analogy to a Christian belief, then of course I have to look at it within the context of Christian teachings. What's the use in trying to make an analogy to the Christian teaching of forgiveness, if I can't say why it doesn or doesn't reflect it? (And do I know that analogies tend to have weaknesses.) - No, I was making an analogy on Christian teachings which lead to your belief. Please next time read my argument as discussing teachings that lead to your belief, if you get what I mean.
The way you described the king, I interpreted him as a human, not as a 'God figure'. Even then, it is God as described by Christian teaching (not just any god) who freely gives salvation through faith in Christ and repentance. - If Christians only said what you said here, then your belief would be more legitimate. God is the one who forgives? Sounds good. Belief in a Prophet? Sounds legit. Oh wait, you think that the Prophet is actually God manifest/son/father/spirit/son/spirit/father/son/spirit...
Of course I believe this. Sin is against God's will. It separates us from Him and it is rebellion against Him. As long as we live in sin, we are apart from God. We live in a finite world for a finite amount of time, so all sin can seem to end. However, God exists outside of time. He is infinite.
Limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate: "an infinite number of stars".
A space or quantity that is infinite.
The action or fact of dying or being killed; the end of the life of a person or organism.
An instance of a person or an animal dying.
Please explain how death can be brought upon something that is infinite?
Our sin against Him is infinite because He is infinite. Our sin against each other seems finite because we live in a finite world. - No, you said it as if our sins somehow harm God. Just as you believe that somehow God can die.
I understand that as we clearly do not have the same beliefs on this, you find this idea more than objectionable.
Jesus is the same God as the Father. I think that you see just the Father as being God, and Jesus and the Holy Spirit as being 'extras'. God is one Essence made of three Persons. He is not three gods. So of course Jesus is the same God as 'God Himself'- God is not just one part of the Trinity, but all three. - No, I was scrutinisng what you see. You see him as all three at once, but then: "The Father is not His own Son. He is a separate, distinguishable and individual Person of the Godhead." If you do not accept how badly you have destroyed your won argument here, then I can see that your mind is truly too blank.
To be fair, I wouldn't find 'the Holy Spirit will explain it' or 'the Holy Spirit touches your heart' as a very satisfying answer either.
Christ's blood was like a 'ransom' paid for our lives, - So apparntly God ransoms himself to forgive us? Riiiight.
by which we are delivered from sin and from its punishment. Sin deserves to be punished, so we deserved to punished for our sin. - Yes.. and?
However, when Christ sacrificed His life, he paid this penalty and took the punishment of sin so that we wouldn't have to. - So God took his own punishment so we wouldn't have to? RIIIIGHT..
This doesn't mean that we can automatically avoid punishment because of what Christ did on the cross. - Okay so then why did God manifest have to let himself die in the first place? This is ignoring the fact that such an occurrence is impossible.
It means that we can chose to accept salvation and because Christ paid the penalty, we are forgiven and not punished. If you reject it, you not only refuse salvation, but you also refuse what Christ did and thus have to pay the penalty yourself.
If you want to read more on this, these
are a good set of articles on salvation.
If you think I have misconceptions about God, I am genuinely interested in what you believe about God (if you believe in God). - I believe that there is one God that is ever living, with no relations.
If you want me to write a 'completely logical explanation', you'll have to specify what kind of thing you're looking for. Logic isn't necessarily black and white, and what one person deems as logical, another deems as completely irrational. - Well trying again at refuting my commentaries onto your beliefs and claims would be nice.
What you wrote simply cannot be called Christianity. None of it accurately represented Christian beliefs. - It did, and you just confirmed it. I'm not someone who won't admit when something makes sense or is right, I even agreed that a couple of aspects of your belief that you have professed are legitimate. To this end, I encourage you to explain to me the things that you believe in response to me, and when you know you are wrong, to admit it.