[cactus_farmer]

I got a 2.1 in Biomed from KCL, the thing is the 2.1 is right on the borderline of 2.1 and 2.2, I already got turned away from applying to Liverpool either for the undergraduate (basic) medical course, or the graduate entry medical course because of this.

What universities are more lenient with the degree classification, or (preferably) don't even ask to see your module breakdown and are just satisfied with you disclosing your classification?

Since my academic background is substandard compared to most applicants (degree: 2.1, A-levels: AAB, GCSE's: 6A*'s, 5A's), should I stick with the undergraduate medical courses rather than the graduate entry ones?

Or which graduate entry programs have the reputation of being 'easy' (relatively) to get into?

And - which ones (if any) DON'T require you to go through UCAS - I have used up most of my options there!!

Thanks very much in advance!!

[groovyangel2008]

(Original post by cactus_farmer)
I got a 2.1 in Biomed from KCL, the thing is the 2.1 is right on the borderline of 2.1 and 2.2, I already got turned away from applying to Liverpool either for the undergraduate (basic) medical course, or the graduate entry medical course because of this.

What universities are more lenient with the degree classification, or (preferably) don't even ask to see your module breakdown and are just satisfied with you disclosing your classification?

Since my academic background is substandard compared to most applicants (degree: 2.1, A-levels: AAB, GCSE's: 6A*'s, 5A's), should I stick with the undergraduate medical courses rather than the graduate entry ones?

Or which graduate entry programs have the reputation of being 'easy' (relatively) to get into?

And - which ones (if any) DON'T require you to go through UCAS - I have used up most of my options there!!

Thanks very much in advance!!

You could take the GAMSAT and apply for graduate entry courses such as Nottingham, Swansea, St Georges. These 4 year courses accept people with 2:2s so you should be a good contender if you meet the GAMSAT cut off mark that they require (for more info check their website(s)).
Also all of the medicine course require you to apply via UCAS and no graduate entry program has a reputation of being easy to get into- getting a place on any graduate course is difficult because there are so many people applying for so few places but obviously the places have to be given to somebody so its not a case of being impossible. I would recommend you emailing the medical schools you are interested in to find out whether you meet the entry requirements.
This site is a good starting point and I found it helpful when I was deciding on where to apply: http://www.medschoolsonline.co.uk/index.php?pageid=11

[Baldywaldy]

Do medical schools ask for a breakdown of your mark? I didn't realise this.


-baldywaldy

[somethingbeautiful]

UEA.

[LaShy]

(Original post by cactus_farmer)
I got a 2.1 in Biomed from KCL, the thing is the 2.1 is right on the borderline of 2.1 and 2.2, I already got turned away from applying to Liverpool either for the undergraduate (basic) medical course, or the graduate entry medical course because of this.

What universities are more lenient with the degree classification, or (preferably) don't even ask to see your module breakdown and are just satisfied with you disclosing your classification?

Since my academic background is substandard compared to most applicants (degree: 2.1, A-levels: AAB, GCSE's: 6A*'s, 5A's), should I stick with the undergraduate medical courses rather than the graduate entry ones?

Or which graduate entry programs have the reputation of being 'easy' (relatively) to get into?

And - which ones (if any) DON'T require you to go through UCAS - I have used up most of my options there!!

Thanks very much in advance!!

Hey I did biomed at kings too if you are not taking the GAMSAT or do not do particularly well in it I recommend you apply for the undergrad 5 year course I have a friend who got a 2.1 and got into Birmingham 5 year course and another who did really really well at the GAMSAT and got into st georges uni for the 4 year course and she only had to achieve a 2.2 to meet the conditions of this offer. All medicine courses at all universities are very competitive and difficult to get into so as well as grades it is a matter of how much emphasis the uni's you are applying to put on it and other factors such as the personal statement and the degree of your work experience.

With regards to not going through ucas you could apply to universities in Ireland such as the university of Limerick they have a different procedure for applications called cao and all they require is for you to meet their requirements for the cutoff score for the GAMSAT and at least a 2.1 deg classification to be invited to an interview (the fees are very very high though but there are ways to get around it with certain bank loans which I think is explained on the websites of these universities).


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[lcsurfer]

I have a 2:1 in a non science subject, worse A levels and average GCSE's when i applied last year all they cared about was if it was a 2:1 didn't matter whether it was 60% or 69%.
I believe it depends where you apply, i know BSMS ask for 65% minimum and want to see transcripts. I was asked for my transcripts by warwick as my degree is a weird one and htey wanted to see the content

[LaShy]

(Original post by Baldywaldy)
Do medical schools ask for a breakdown of your mark? I didn't realise this.


-baldywaldy

This depends on the university, but you are sometimes required to send a degree transcript as proof of your degree classification this document contains the individual module results so the universities that ask for this end up with a breakdown of your degree results anyway although most of them are only interested in the degree grade on the transcript so as long as you satisfy the conditions of there offer you will be fine regardless of the breakdown of your results. Some universities will recommend that you send them a breakdown of your module results on ucas and/or send a record of agreed results directly to the university to support you application, when applying to Keele I was asked to do this.


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[Ras17]

(Original post by lcsurfer)
I have a 2:1 in a non science subject, worse A levels and average GCSE's when i applied last year all they cared about was if it was a 2:1 didn't matter whether it was 60% or 69%.
I believe it depends where you apply, i know BSMS ask for 65% minimum and want to see transcripts. I was asked for my transcripts by warwick as my degree is a weird one and htey wanted to see the content

Out of curiosity, which degree is that? Also, did they consider your GCSE/A Levels or were they only interested in the degree classification?

[lcsurfer]

(Original post by Ras17)
Out of curiosity, which degree is that? Also, did they consider your GCSE/A Levels or were they only interested in the degree classification?

I studied Disaster Management, development and reconstruction and went to cov uni.. had a fair amount of engineering in final year and 2nd year. Nope didnt consider my a levels or GCSE's. I got BBD at A level and a smattering of As and Bs at GCSE.
Only interested in my degree classification, I have a lot of experience too so not sure if that helped in anyway...

[select the right name]

I have a degree in Biochemistry and not one of my choices asked to see a breakdown of my degree.

[nearlybled2death]

(Original post by LaShy)
but you are always required to send a degree transcript as proof of your degree classification this document contains the individual module results so the universities end up with a breakdown of your degree results anyway

Um, no you're not. I was only ever asked to show my degree certificate as proof of achieved grade. It will be entirely dependent on your university.

Also to the OP as others have said there are no easy GEPs to get onto. Some of them are easier (in a sense) to get an interview at but only if you have met their criteria i.e. a minimum GAMSAT cut-off. The interviews are by no means easy to get through and even with odds of 1:4 if you get to interview it still means 75% of people will not get an offer. Also, before you apply to 5-yr programmes ask yourself if you can self-finance 4 years at 9k/year just on tuition.

[adsyrah]

(Original post by LaShy)
This depends on the university, but you are always required to send a degree transcript as proof of your degree classification this document contains the individual module results so the universities end up with a breakdown of your degree results anyway although most of them are only interested in the degree grade on the transcript so as long as you satisfy the conditions of there offer you will be fine regardless of the breakdown of your results. Some universities will recommend that you send them a breakdown of your module results on ucas and/or send a record of agreed results directly to the university to support you application, when applying to Keele I was asked to do this.


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That's not true of all unis.

All I had to show to Newcastle and Warwick was my degree certificate to prove I had a 2:1.

[hoonosewot]

Yeh, i got offers from Warwick, Barts and Newcastle and was never asked to show a trasncript, just to prove i got a 2:1.

[Ras17]

(Original post by lcsurfer)
I studied Disaster Management, development and reconstruction and went to cov uni.. had a fair amount of engineering in final year and 2nd year. Nope didnt consider my a levels or GCSE's. I got BBD at A level and a smattering of As and Bs at GCSE.
Only interested in my degree classification, I have a lot of experience too so not sure if that helped in anyway...

Congratulations on that

Thanks for the reply too.

[LatinMachine]

(Original post by cactus_farmer)
Since my academic background is substandard compared to most applicants (degree: 2.1, A-levels: AAB, GCSE's: 6A*'s, 5A's), should I stick with the undergraduate medical courses rather than the graduate entry ones?

These are not substandard.

I'm also not convinced that you've thoroughly investigated all the entry requirements for GEP courses as you would have known about GAMSAT+2.2 universities otherwise. So you've not exhausted your UCAS options, I would have thought you stand a good chance with your grades. Most unis do a first cut-off using UKCAT scores rather than degree, so maybe check whether you could improve that. There are only about 12 courses to look through so go to their websites and find out what they want. If you're still unsure, email or phone them. And if you want to do GEP in England then UCAS is the only way.

[LaShy]

(Original post by nearlybled2death)
Um, no you're not. I was only ever asked to show my degree certificate as proof of achieved grade. It will be entirely dependent on your university.

Also to the OP as others have said there are no easy GEPs to get onto. Some of them are easier (in a sense) to get an interview at but only if you have met their criteria i.e. a minimum GAMSAT cut-off. The interviews are by no means easy to get through and even with odds of 1:4 if you get to interview it still means 75% of people will not get an offer. Also, before you apply to 5-yr programmes ask yourself if you can self-finance 4 years at 9k/year just on tuition.

(Original post by adsyrah)
That's not true of all unis.

All I had to show to Newcastle and Warwick was my degree certificate to prove I had a 2:1.

Oh that is surprising as all four that I applied to this year asked for the deg transcript or a record of agreed results but I didn't apply to Warwick or Newcastle so I'll adjust my statement above

[xXxBaby-BooxXx]

(Original post by somethingbeautiful)
UEA.

UEA doesn't have a graduate course?

[nas7232]

When I applied for medicine I had a lot worse grades than you. Liverpool is one of a very few that want a good 2:1 (~65% I think). It's best to apply for places that suit your background and right now you have a competitive application to nearly all med schools. The UKCAT will decide whether you'll be competitive which is retarded imo. I'd avoid the GAMSAT route unless you think you wont make the cut for a 2:1. Also, you'll need to be at least predicted a 2:1 to apply for the 2:1 unis.

[Funky_Climber]

(Original post by cactus_farmer)
I got a 2.1 in Biomed from KCL, the thing is the 2.1 is right on the borderline of 2.1 and 2.2, I already got turned away from applying to Liverpool either for the undergraduate (basic) medical course, or the graduate entry medical course because of this.

What universities are more lenient with the degree classification, or (preferably) don't even ask to see your module breakdown and are just satisfied with you disclosing your classification?

Since my academic background is substandard compared to most applicants (degree: 2.1, A-levels: AAB, GCSE's: 6A*'s, 5A's), should I stick with the undergraduate medical courses rather than the graduate entry ones?

Or which graduate entry programs have the reputation of being 'easy' (relatively) to get into?

And - which ones (if any) DON'T require you to go through UCAS - I have used up most of my options there!!

Thanks very much in advance!!

Queens Belfast aren't too worried I don't think

Leeds shouldn't be a problem with your grades

Try calling around and asking the admissions tutor

[somethingbeautiful]

(Original post by xXxBaby-BooxXx)
UEA doesn't have a graduate course?

You're right, it doesn't. I should explain better...

I knew a lot of grads who got places on to UEA's 5 year course.
Rather than limiting themselves to the 4 year graduate courses, since they are insanely competitive and not every uni offers them, these people applied to 5 year courses. I know someone who got onto a 4 year course but she has a 1st in her undergrad and has been working in the NHS since her graduation ~10 years ago. This is anecdotal, I realise, but I'm just sharing my experiences and I hope that others might learn something which helps their application.

UEA are very accommodating to graduates/mature applicants and they have a long standing partnership with the College of West Anglia from where they have admitted many access students onto their 5 year course.
Obviously if the OP's A-levels are in the correct subjects for undergrad med then the access course might not be a route that they want to pursue and they might want to apply straight to UEA for the 5 year course with their current qualifications. If it were me, I would not limit myself to 4 year courses. Most of them are a lottery even when you have outstanding qualifications (a 1st, and a string of As at A-level) simply due to the level of applicants.

Currently, UEA admit graduates on their 5 year course with a minimum of BBB at A-level and a 2:1 degree (this is if you have a science related degree, as the OP does). By no means am I saying that they are an 'easy' option but the OP will have a much better chance with them than Liverpool's 4 year. However, since BBB and a 2:1 are the minimum, I realise that people will be applying with grades which are higher, nevertheless, so long as you meet their min requirements you have a chance and should apply.

Therefore, a 2:1 and AAB is fine for the 5 year courses, but they will need to stand out a lot more (i.e. in terms of work experience) if they are to gain a place on a 4 year course. They could take a chance and apply for one but if it were me I would choose mostly 5 year courses and not waste too many of my UCAS choices on 4 year courses which are a huge gamble and pointless if you don't stand out either academically or in terms of work exp (both would be better!). I would point out that if they do apply for a 4 year course then they should be just as picky about which 4 year course they apply to as they are about the 5 year ones.

Most people who consider applying for grad entry probably already know this, but the likes of Nottingham (who don't even look at A-levels/GCSEs) and St George's 4 year courses have a 2:2 minimum entry requirement as opposed to a 2:1 so these might be better options - but bare in mind that loads of other applicants will be thinking this too!

It's a case of doing a lot of research - reading all of the websites for current requirements - e-mailing the universities if you are unsure if you fit the bill and then deciding whether or not to apply to any 4 year courses. I wouldn't advise only applying to 4 year courses - put at least one 5 year on your application. I think only very very confident applicants and/or applicants who only want to do the 4 year (possibly for financial reasons) would dream of using all their choices on 4 year courses.