[hiding12]

It seems from so many women that they can't wait to start careers and are excited to be doing teaching, dancing whatever. Its almost like they have turned hobbies often into careers. Whereas, most men I speak to are interested in highly tedious but financially rewarding careers such as banking, accountancy and law.

I guess there is more pressure on men to do well paid careers and earn more than women but do women just not think much about money and assume men will look after them financially when they are older?

I am curious just because I am going into accountancy and my sister just went into charity after uni and found a well paid husband who does broking and works very long hours. I would love to do a job that I enjoyed and is well paid but there aren't many around. Accountancy is a little interesting as you're learning about companies etc. and its very useful but its pretty tedious. Financial services seems to be dominated by men but 'softer' careers like HR and secretaries largely seem to be female.

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[RachelSophia]

(Original post by hiding12)
It seems from so many women that they can't wait to start careers and are excited to be doing teaching, dancing whatever. Its almost like they have turned hobbies often into careers. Whereas, most men I speak to are interested in highly tedious but financially rewarding careers such as banking, accountancy and law.

I guess there is more pressure on men to do well paid careers and earn more than women but do women just not think much about money and assume men will look after them financially when they are older?

I am curious just because I am going into accountancy and my sister just went into charity after uni and found a well paid husband who does broking and works very long hours. I would love to do a job that I enjoyed and is well paid but there aren't many around. Accountancy is a little interesting as you're learning about companies etc. and its very useful but its pretty tedious. Financial services seems to be dominated by men but 'softer' careers like HR and secretaries largely seem to be female.

NO!
You want a job that pays well, yes, but what's the point in a high paid job if you absolutely hate it? I'd turn a 40K a year job down for a 20K one if it was the difference between sitting in a headachey office and being like a freelance painter
Why set yourself up for torture?

Also don't think that women look for 'softer' jobs, that's both sexist and ignorant. As a female you have to consider a job with more flexibility for if/when you need maternity leave or have a sick child and have to stay home, these tend to be jobs like teaching... Could you imagine a mass economic panic or a company going bankrupt and you're called in to do emergency overtime then have to say no sorry i'm due in 3 weeks.

I think girls consider Flexibility and enjoyment
guys consider Money and power


However you'll always have those women who are career drawn and fierce. They will happily work in the huge demanding jobs, just like you have those males who will aspire to be a top ballet dancer... or even a teacher too.

[ufo2012]

A majority of women will value family and may go for what you call 'softer' options...

but then some men are also taking this approach and rightly so - man's prerogative

[james22]

I think aspirations are different, it would explain why board rooms are mostly male dominated.

[ufo2012]

(Original post by james22)
I think aspirations are different, it would explain why board rooms are mostly male dominated.

Just because it has always been that way doesn't mean it always has to be... although the "glass ceiling" effect probably does come into play in the board room also

[ufo2012]

(Original post by Stasiaxx)
Out of interest do you think he would have married her if she was more career minded? Would you marry a woman who was career minded? If no, why not? Because you want someone at home when the kids are young probably.

No because she would be a dominatrix

[Classical Liberal]

(Original post by RachelSophia)
I think girls consider Flexibility and enjoyment
guys consider Money and power

This is bordering on flatout sexist and kinda false.

It is true, women prefer flexible jobs. The reason being practical, women often end up being mothers, so they need to have time available to them. This is one of the main reasons women get paid less money as they get older (compared to men), they get paid in time instead of money, because time is more valuable to them then it is for the average man. Obviously this is a simplification, but don't be alarmed by simplification, complexity is often a device for claiming sophistication, or for evading simple truths.

But women like money just as much as men. They like power just as much. And men like enjoyment just as much.

The main difference between men and women is that women carry around and feed human beings from time to time.

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[ufo2012]

(Original post by Classical Liberal)
This is bordering on flatout sexist and kinda false.

The main difference between men and women is that women carry around and feed human beings from time to time.

Maybe it should go the other way, maybe men should indulge in their feelings more and be less ruthless. Then they'd have more time for the family.

[hiding12]

(Original post by RachelSophia)
NO!
You want a job that pays well, yes, but what's the point in a high paid job if you absolutely hate it? I'd turn a 40K a year job down for a 20K one if it was the difference between sitting in a headachey office and being like a freelance painter
Why set yourself up for torture?

Also don't think that women look for 'softer' jobs, that's both sexist and ignorant. As a female you have to consider a job with more flexibility for if/when you need maternity leave or have a sick child and have to stay home, these tend to be jobs like teaching... Could you imagine a mass economic panic or a company going bankrupt and you're called in to do emergency overtime then have to say no sorry i'm due in 3 weeks.

I think girls consider Flexibility and enjoyment
guys consider Money and power


However you'll always have those women who are career drawn and fierce. They will happily work in the huge demanding jobs, just like you have those males who will aspire to be a top ballet dancer... or even a teacher too.

Yeah, I think a lot of men want money and power to attract women as this is one of the attributes women require

[PeaceLoveKindness]

I think it's not fair to generalise. You find men who decide to pick "softer" options and women who decide to pick higher paid jobs. At the end of the day it's down to individual preferences and perhaps you COULD take gender roles into consideration. I'm a female who's planning on studying economics in university which, I understand, isn't necessarily common


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[snozzle]

(Original post by ufo2012)
Just because it has always been that way doesn't mean it always has to be... although the "glass ceiling" effect probably does come into play in the board room also

Who cares about the board room? It's not on the radar of 99% of workers.

Regarding the OP. I think for what you might call non skilled or semi-skilled work then women normally aspire to 'nicer' jobs such as secretarial work, whereas men are say content to drive a forklift or something similar.

So there is definitely some sort of gender driven tendency there.

If we talk about (what I would call) 'careers' though I don't really see much difference, except perhaps more men in engineering type careers and more women in 'creative' stuff.

When it comes to management or the corporate world I basically see no difference, except women are quicker to drop out I think. Partly I think that is because of kids, but it isn't necessary 'forced', I think many people get to 30 odd and realise the corporate rat race was never something they wanted anyway, or they see their limits/potential and that they will get pushed out, not good enough at the politics, or not smart or interested enough. The Corporate world is like a pyramid, it exploits bright young things at the bottom and slowly spits them out to serve the pay and bonus' of the top.

[im so academic]

Women do not have careers. They're only interested in a job that pays the bills and whether the job revolves around them when they have children. Men, on the other hand, have careers. You don't see women who are passionate about their jobs. Actually, I must add something else: they want a job that pays the bills but also provides them with a lot of money to go shopping. The main women why some women have careers is in order to meet men who have a good job, so they can marry a man that will be able to finance them when they have kids. Selfishness.

[yothi5]

Only intelligent women value a high flying career. OP has clearly been in contact with none.

[snozzle]

(Original post by RachelSophia)
NO!
You want a job that pays well, yes, but what's the point in a high paid job if you absolutely hate it? I'd turn a 40K a year job down for a 20K one if it was the difference between sitting in a headachey office and being like a freelance painter
Why set yourself up for torture?

That's a good attitude, we all be happier if we saw things that way, but many of us are so tied up in the status a job confers upon us we lose sight of why we are alive.

[snozzle]

(Original post by yothi5)
Only intelligent women value a high flying career. OP has clearly been in contact with none.

Some of the smartest women I know are...well one is now a full time mum, the other a primary school teacher. I'd define 'smart' here as an all around intelligence both cognitive and emotional as well as being humanitarian in attitude.

I've met some very intelligent women in the corporate work but I'd evaluate them all as being pathologic in some way...certainly probably incapable of love or being loved.

[im so academic]

(Original post by snozzle)
Some of the smartest women I know are...well one is now a full time mum, the other a primary school teacher. I'd define 'smart' here as an all around intelligence both cognitive and emotional as well as being humanitarian in attitude.

I've met some very intelligent women in the corporate work but I'd evaluate them all as being pathologic in some way...certainly probably incapable of love or being loved.

They're probably ugly. That's the reason why people are incapable of love/being loved.

[ufo2012]

(Original post by snozzle)
When it comes to management or the corporate world I basically see no difference, except women are quicker to drop out I think. Partly I think that is because of kids, but it isn't necessary 'forced', I think many people get to 30 odd and realise the corporate rat race was never something they wanted anyway, or they see their limits/potential and that they will get pushed out, not good enough at the politics, or not smart or interested enough. The Corporate world is like a pyramid, it exploits bright young things at the bottom and slowly spits them out to serve the pay and bonus' of the top.

It's a shame but often that is true. It would be nice if more women would realise this earlier in life though because you have so many corporate tarts in their late teens/early 20's working purely for a firms interests thinking they are the best at the job and who do little but **** others off (men for example), or if you have a woman working in "Human Resources" (which is a pointless job anyway), who later realise that was not the life they want or that they ever wanted yet how many careers that could have went further have they probably destroyed in the process of coming to this self-fulfilled awakening of themselves?

(Original post by im so academic)
Women do not have careers. They're only interested in a job that pays the bills and whether the job revolves around them when they have children. Men, on the other hand, have careers. You don't see women who are passionate about their jobs. Actually, I must add something else: they want a job that pays the bills but also provides them with a lot of money to go shopping. The main women why some women have careers is in order to meet men who have a good job, so they can marry a man that will be able to finance them when they have kids. Selfishness.

Would agree with this quite a lot. More women are not passionate about their jobs the way men are, or like the post above, ask them now, then ask them in 5 years, then ask them in 10 years (well actually, you'd be lucky if they are there in 5-10 years as they'll probably be off having kids) and check the differing responses.

Don't get me wrong though, I'm not against women having kids - the issue here is the corporate tartiness - firms love this as it is good for their business as they feel they have someone who will sell their soul for the good of the firm - I just wish more women would wake up and realise it is all just a lot of BS and after their sucking they will be spat just like my first quote mentioned.

Anyone like this (in the workplace) I would just try to avoid, because they are probably the kind of woman that it will take them to come to their own realisation of this before they accept it.

(Original post by snozzle)
That's a good attitude, we all be happier if we saw things that way, but many of us are so tied up in the status a job confers upon us we lose sight of why we are alive.

Summed up in a nutshell

[katetaylor]

Your argument is based entirely on generalisations of gender stereotypes. The only way that the argument can begin on a level platform is if men start popping out babies, which is obviously impossible.

Women are just as aspirational, if not more so, than men due to the fact that we are only recently gaining the opportunities that were denied from us in the past. The only reason we can't jet set all over the country and dedicate ourselves 100% to a career is because if we want children - which a lot of us do - we have to take time off and juggle our private and work lives.