Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?As men cannot give birth in reality, then it is impossible to play that card.(Original post by katetaylor)
Your argument is based entirely on generalisations of gender stereotypes. The only way that the argument can begin on a level platform is if men start popping out babies, which is obviously impossible
Although the OP question may seem unfair for this reason, life is unfair.
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?That's a disgusting attitude to have. I'm female, I can't wait to get into the career I want, and a husband is optional, believe me.(Original post by im so academic)
Women do not have careers. They're only interested in a job that pays the bills and whether the job revolves around them when they have children. Men, on the other hand, have careers. You don't see women who are passionate about their jobs. Actually, I must add something else: they want a job that pays the bills but also provides them with a lot of money to go shopping. The main women why some women have careers is in order to meet men who have a good job, so they can marry a man that will be able to finance them when they have kids. Selfishness.
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?Disagree. There are opportunities for women nowadays and the majority don't want to use them and would rather have children and expect their husband to work.(Original post by katetaylor)
Your argument is based entirely on generalisations of gender stereotypes. The only way that the argument can begin on a level platform is if men start popping out babies, which is obviously impossible.
Women are just as aspirational, if not more so, than men due to the fact that we are only recently gaining the opportunities that were denied from us in the past. The only reason we can't jet set all over the country and dedicate ourselves 100% to a career is because if we want children - which a lot of us do - we have to take time off and juggle our private and work lives.
Optional? Wouldn't be surprised than in two decades you'll be married with children and if you're lucky, a part-time job.(Original post by Valhalla.)
That's a disgusting attitude to have. I'm female, I can't wait to get into the career I want, and a husband is optional, believe me.
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?(Original post by hiding12)
It seems from so many women that they can't wait to start careers and are excited to be doing teaching, dancing whatever. Its almost like they have turned hobbies often into careers. Whereas, most men I speak to are interested in highly tedious but financially rewarding careers such as banking, accountancy and law.
I guess there is more pressure on men to do well paid careers and earn more than women but do women just not think much about money and assume men will look after them financially when they are older?
I am curious just because I am going into accountancy and my sister just went into charity after uni and found a well paid husband who does broking and works very long hours. I would love to do a job that I enjoyed and is well paid but there aren't many around. Accountancy is a little interesting as you're learning about companies etc. and its very useful but its pretty tedious. Financial services seems to be dominated by men but 'softer' careers like HR and secretaries largely seem to be female.
I don't know, everyone is different.
For example, my ex-girlfriend, she is very VERY career driven -wants to be a lawyer..etc and she is bright too!
In a way she motivated me to be successful?
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?Respondents also can't realistically generalise that all women have less ambition then men because we are all gold diggers who don't value our careers. I understand men can't give birth - I wish you all could - but the question is unfair and as such the debate uneven.(Original post by ufo2012)
As men cannot give birth in reality, then it is impossible to play that card.
Although the OP question may seem unfair for this reason, life is unfair.
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?I didn't say that there were no opportunities. Just that this is a recent thing and that women perhaps have a greater appreciation of this. I for one am looking forward to studying Law in September and am hoping for a successful career - not taking a back-seat in a marriage, raising children and doting on a husband. I would like to think that modern women won't stand for passive roles such as these any more.(Original post by im so academic)
Disagree. There are opportunities for women nowadays and the majority don't want to use them and would rather have children and expect their husband to work. -
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?Exactly this.(Original post by Z REFAN Z)
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?You'd be surprised at the amount of women who would be prepared to "give up" anything and everything for that. (I put those words in speech marks because really, they're not giving up anything, it's just something they're doing for the sake of it).(Original post by katetaylor)
I didn't say that there were no opportunities. Just that this is a recent thing and that women perhaps have a greater appreciation of this. I for one am looking forward to studying Law in September and am hoping for a successful career - not taking a back-seat in a marriage, raising children and doting on a husband. I would like to think that modern women won't stand for passive roles such as these any more.
The amount of women who are going to university to pass the time in order to hook up with a guy is outstanding.
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?I know what you mean, those people - the term is used loosely, more fitting would be cretins - don't deserve to be at University if all they are going to do is throw themselves at the opposite sex. I'm trying to represent the other half of women who actually want to succeed in life and want their lives to have depth and meaning.(Original post by im so academic)
You'd be surprised at the amount of women who would be prepared to "give up" anything and everything for that. (I put those words in speech marks because really, they're not giving up anything, it's just something they're doing for the sake of it).
The amount of women who are going to university to pass the time in order to hook up with a guy is outstanding.
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?Oh dear, i really most rethink my aspirations of being a lawyer, due to your enlightening views. I'll start looking into home economics...(Original post by hiding12)
Whereas, most men I speak to are interested in highly tedious but financially rewarding careers such as banking, accountancy and law.
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?You just repeated exactly what i said in the whole post but in a different way(Original post by Classical Liberal)
This is bordering on flatout sexist and kinda false.
It is true, women prefer flexible jobs. The reason being practical, women often end up being mothers, so they need to have time available to them. This is one of the main reasons women get paid less money as they get older (compared to men), they get paid in time instead of money, because time is more valuable to them then it is for the average man. Obviously this is a simplification, but don't be alarmed by simplification, complexity is often a device for claiming sophistication, or for evading simple truths.
But women like money just as much as men. They like power just as much. And men like enjoyment just as much.
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?Have you noticed that you have assimilated what society tells you as your own belief.(Original post by katetaylor)
I didn't say that there were no opportunities. Just that this is a recent thing and that women perhaps have a greater appreciation of this. I for one am looking forward to studying Law in September and am hoping for a successful career - not taking a back-seat in a marriage, raising children and doting on a husband. I would like to think that modern women won't stand for passive roles such as these any more.
It's called internalization.
Women can be very happy raising kids.
Sure they can also be unhappy doing so and the same is true for careers.
There's no 'The One True Way' contrary to what society says (via media and the education system).
I'm just saying don't be so presumptive about what is right for you when the fact is you have experienced neither so don't really know. -
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?There is no reason why that should be so. Most of my female friends are very ambitious and very passionate about what they do. Many of them are studying to be lawyers, doctors, or teachers. I find it quite disturbing that in many films and stuff ambitious women with a prestigious career are still depicted as uptight, emotionally constipated, bitchy females with penis-envy, who only become truly happy when they realise that their true calling is produce offspring. Apparently this prejudice also still exists in society at large... Some of the replies on this thread
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?I completely understand what you are saying but I wasn't making a value judgement on how someone should live their life. I understand completely the fulfilment that can come from raising a family. I wasn't condemning housewives or anything.(Original post by snozzle)
Have you noticed that you have assimilated what society tells you as your own belief.
It's called internalization.
Women can be very happy raising kids.
Sure they can also be unhappy doing so and the same is true for careers.
There's no 'The One True Way' contrary to what society says (via media and the education system).
I'm just saying don't be so presumptive about what is right for you when the fact is you have experienced neither so don't really know. -
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This made me really think, even though I'm aspiring to have a job in business law/ economics I have everyone intention to slow down my lifestyle after marriage and at times depend on the male income
I think my reason may be different to others , my mum , an accountant at a high level (head of department) did exactly that and I only saw the benefits of it -
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?That's quite a derogatory way to picture Motherhood, it's almost scornful like it is a disgusting bodily activity...a form of modern Puritanism. Incidentally I lots of legacies of Protestantism in the workplace and our attitudes to work/career.(Original post by ForgettingWhatsername)
There is no reason why that should be so. Most of my female friends are very ambitious and very passionate about what they do. Many of them are studying to be lawyers, doctors, or teachers. I find it quite disturbing that in many films and stuff ambitious women with a prestigious career are still depicted as uptight, emotionally constipated, bitchy females with penis-envy, who only become truly happy when they realise that their true calling is produce offspring. Apparently this prejudice also still exists in society at large... Some of the replies on this thread
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?Glad you agree with me(Original post by RachelSophia)
You just repeated exactly what i said in the whole post but in a different way
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?aren't you a woman?(Original post by im so academic)
Women do not have careers. They're only interested in a job that pays the bills and whether the job revolves around them when they have children. Men, on the other hand, have careers. You don't see women who are passionate about their jobs. Actually, I must add something else: they want a job that pays the bills but also provides them with a lot of money to go shopping. The main women why some women have careers is in order to meet men who have a good job, so they can marry a man that will be able to finance them when they have kids. Selfishness. -
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Re: Do women have different aspirations to men with careers generally...........?I wasn't posing an argument, more a question. According to an article I read (written by a woman), the reason men tend to have more high flying positions in higher paid occupations is because they generally stick their neck out more, are more ambitious and throw themselves into positions they aren't properly ready for and may only have 60% of the job spec, whereas women are more hesitant about this and worry they may not be ready, not my words, hers. Although, there is some gender discrimination around but generally the same opportunities are open to females as males, graduate speaking anyway, not sure about the rest(Original post by katetaylor)
Your argument is based entirely on generalisations of gender stereotypes. The only way that the argument can begin on a level platform is if men start popping out babies, which is obviously impossible.
Women are just as aspirational, if not more so, than men due to the fact that we are only recently gaining the opportunities that were denied from us in the past. The only reason we can't jet set all over the country and dedicate ourselves 100% to a career is because if we want children - which a lot of us do - we have to take time off and juggle our private and work lives.
