Can any religious person answer this question?
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End goal: To please God. Not that He needs the worship, but He is deserving of the worship...(Original post by Alexok)
But why does anything need to worship god? Whats the goal and the end of everything?
Like i said, God is WORTHY of this worship. Why should He NOT create people to worship Him if he deserves to be worshipped?
Hope that made sense
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?That's a good question.(Original post by Alexok)
As an atheist i don't see the need for a specific meaning for the universe, or point to why it exists, but if you're religious there must be a purpose to why god/allah etc created heaven, hell, earth, the whole universe. So we're crated, given 'free will', die, go to heaven. But what or? Why would god do that? Was he bored?
I'm not asking for a reason why god had to create earth, because I have heard answers e.g Life on earth is a test. I'm asking why everything in the first place?
I believe God created life on earth for the following reasons:
1. God is creative, and enjoys using His creativity.
2. He wanted to, like how people want to and do create things.
3. He has other reasons which are not shown to us yet (like how people have pets, but the pets don't necessarily know why they are with their person, just hopefully the pet knows that their person loves him/her.) Maybe the person has a pet in order to save the animal? Maybe the person has a pet in order to not be lonely. Maybe a person has a pet because they want an animal friend?
4. He made us to love us.
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?Yeah that makes sense, could be true(Original post by Stuffcopier)
End goal: To please God. Not that He needs the worship, but He is deserving of the worship...
Like i said, God is WORTHY of this worship. Why should He NOT create people to worship Him if he deserves to be worshipped?
Hope that made sense
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?Ask Him.(Original post by Alexok)
As an atheist i don't see the need for a specific meaning for the universe, or point to why it exists, but if you're religious there must be a purpose to why god/allah etc created heaven, hell, earth, the whole universe. So we're crated, given 'free will', die, go to heaven. But what or? Why would god do that? Was he bored?
I'm not asking for a reason why god had to create earth, because I have heard answers e.g Life on earth is a test. I'm asking why everything in the first place?
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God (Allah) do what he wants to do no one can ask God...secondly God created the universe and humans etc beacuse he wanted to let them know about it that there is a Lord of the universe and for third reason God wants to test who is beliving him and who is not and for that he created heaven and hell...people beliving n him his prophets and his 4 books or who belive in these words( Lailaha illallaho muhamd dur rasolulah) so he is from the heavens and people who desblive in God his prophets nd his books are from the hell...and every one gets know abt it when there time ends n this world wn the see death anglz then he tries to say he belives in God but God says no one belief is accepted after he sees death angels. may God show us the righteous path
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?the thing is, i know if i drop a pen it will fall to the ground. but i don't need to actually run the experiment to know that. now obviously i have learnt by experience, but god should know things whether he has experience or not right? so why run the universe experiment in the first place? he could come up with the conclusion without all of this elaborate scheming and designing.(Original post by AverageExcellence)
They say god knows EVERYTHING far beyond the mere comprehension of man, it is impossible to fatham his motives.
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?Well he must just get REALLY bored.. everyone needs a hobby!(Original post by E.Blackadder)
the thing is, i know if i drop a pen it will fall to the ground. but i don't need to actually run the experiment to know that. now obviously i have learnt by experience, but god should know things whether he has experience or not right? so why run the universe experiment in the first place? he could come up with the conclusion without all of this elaborate scheming and designing.
unless we actually are the thought experiment.. and we don't exist except in gods mind. -
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?I know that this question was posed to the religiuos people, but I gotta chime in here.
1. God is worthy of worship so he created the universe and man to worship him. This is such a human answer. It's based on feelings and human emotions and surely it cannot be the reason why God created everything. Just to be worshipped? C'mon, that's not a Godly reason. It's too petty.
2. God's plan is so vast, we cannot fathom it. Well, if his plan was so vast, why has every religion that he's created failed? His plan has failed. For example, God gave Adam and Eve specific instructions. "don't eat from the tree of knowledge." FAILED. God then chose Abraham to "go forth and spread my message." FAILED Moses- FAILED King David-FAILED Christianity- too many sects-FAILED
Instead of choosing some random guy to go forth and spread your message, why not reveal yourself to all mankind? And try to explain why you built the Earth, the universe and why we exist? (By the way, if it's just to worship him, I'll be pretty upset.)Last edited by Flash7; 18-07-2012 at 00:27. -
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?Because God is an ego maniac(Original post by Alexok)
As an atheist i don't see the need for a specific meaning for the universe, or point to why it exists, but if you're religious there must be a purpose to why god/allah etc created heaven, hell, earth, the whole universe. So we're crated, given 'free will', die, go to heaven. But what or? Why would god do that? Was he bored?
and he wants worship from everyone
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?This post is full of fail.(Original post by Christianlady)
That's a good question.
I believe God created life on earth for the following reasons:
1. God is creative, and enjoys using His creativity.
2. He wanted to, like how people want to and do create things.
3. He has other reasons which are not shown to us yet (like how people have pets, but the pets don't necessarily know why they are with their person, just hopefully the pet knows that their person loves him/her.) Maybe the person has a pet in order to save the animal? Maybe the person has a pet in order to not be lonely. Maybe a person has a pet because they want an animal friend?
4. He made us to love us.
I love this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxsQPg9JlOw
Firstly, you presume a "God" exists. Secondly, you are typing as if you are "God" yourself, if he were to exist, how would you know his motives?
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?to be fair the question was directed at people who hold this presumption. the question wasn't "demonstrate that god exists, and then show why he did what he did.."(Original post by Inverse)
This post is full of fail.
Firstly, you presume a "God" exists. Secondly, you are typing as if you are "God" yourself, if he were to exist, how would you know his motives?
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?Talking about the Christian God, He certainly didn't create us for the sole purpose of worshipping Him. One, He doesn't need anything, and two, if He did need someone to worship Him, the angels did that just fine. So why did God create the universe and us?
God created the universe for His own good pleasure. Like an artist who paints a picture. God is a creator, He loves creating things. You can see in Genesis how He created the world, and carefully looked over His work again and again. When He completed His work, He called it very good. Then He had a celebration of sorts after His work was complete, blessing that day in which He rested. (Rested means He ceased working, not that He was tired)
God created us, again for His own good pleasure. He called us His own children. Creating someone who could know and understand Him. Just like a father and mother desire to have children, God created us, and we were His children. -
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?if god doesn't need anything then he doesn't need pleasure. so why does god want to pleasure himself?(Original post by Okashira)
Talking about the Christian God, He certainly didn't create us for the sole purpose of worshipping Him. One, He doesn't need anything, and two, if He did need someone to worship Him, the angels did that just fine. So why did God create the universe and us?
God created the universe for His own good pleasure. Like an artist who paints a picture. God is a creator, He loves creating things. You can see in Genesis how He created the world, and carefully looked over His work again and again. When He completed His work, He called it very good. Then He had a celebration of sorts after His work was complete, blessing that day in which He rested. (Rested means He ceased working, not that He was tired)
God created us, again for His own good pleasure. He called us His own children. Creating someone who could know and understand Him. Just like a father and mother desire to have children, God created us, and we were His children. -
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?Official Answer is(Original post by Alexok)
As an atheist i don't see the need for a specific meaning for the universe, or point to why it exists, but if you're religious there must be a purpose to why god/allah etc created heaven, hell, earth, the whole universe. So we're crated, given 'free will', die, go to heaven. But what or? Why would god do that? Was he bored?
I'm not asking for a reason why god had to create earth, because I have heard answers e.g Life on earth is a test. I'm asking why everything in the first place?
God wanted to people of Free will to worship him.He already had angels praising him so he didnt need praise, but wanted to see how many people of free will would.
Argument being god given you health,food etc so you should be thankful. Life a test religion defined what is right and wrong etc -
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?The "Free will" arguement was created due to the absence of God. God has not and does not reveal himself to us. So people have made up the theory of "free will" to A) continue to believe he exists despite never seeing him, and B) As an explanation as to why he does not reveal himself. We re told that if he were to reveal himself to us, it would alter our ability to choose freely and therefore we shoud have faith.(Original post by FSP)
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God wanted to people of Free will to worship him.He already had angels praising him so he didnt need praise, but wanted to see how many people of free will would.
Argument being god given you health,food etc so you should be thankful. Life a test religion defined what is right and wrong etc
If you are a Christian or a Muslim, this theory does not hold up. Both Adam and Eve supposedly knew God and yet still had the "free will" to eat from the tree of knowledge. It did not alter their ability to choose from right or wrong. -
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?Adam and Eve where humans and had desires etc that god wanted them to control.(Original post by Flash7)
The "Free will" arguement was created due to the absence of God. God has not and does not reveal himself to us. So people have made up the theory of "free will" to A) continue to believe he exists despite never seeing him, and B) As an explanation as to why he does not reveal himself. We re told that if he were to reveal himself to us, it would alter our ability to choose freely and therefore we shoud have faith.
If you are a Christian or a Muslim, this theory does not hold up. Both Adam and Eve supposedly knew God and yet still had the "free will" to eat from the tree of knowledge. It did not alter their ability to choose from right or wrong.
I have not heard the god doesnt show himself to you because it alters free will line before. At the end of the day you may still dismiss it as magic or something. Thats what some people said when moses turned his stick into a stone.
Adam and eve didt deny the exsistence of a god. God has revealed himself to pure individuals like prophets.
Prophet noah preached for 500+ years and was ignored so some people just dont listen.Last edited by FSP; 18-07-2012 at 19:19. -
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?First, Moses turning his staff into stone wouldn't equate to God revealing himself to mankind. If God appeared before us it would be very impactful and would leave no doubt of his existence. Why would he not do this?(Original post by FSP)
Adam and Eve where humans and had desires etc that god wanted them to control.
I have not heard the god doesnt show himself to you because it alters free will line before. At the end of the day you may still dismiss it as magic or something. Thats what some people said when moses turned his stick into a stone.
Adam and eve didt deny the exsistence of a god. God has revealed himself to pure individuals like prophets.
Prophet noah preached for 500+ years and was ignored so some people just dont listen.
Secondly, you mentioned that Moses preached for 500 years. Do you really believe this? 500 years?
Last, you mentioned that people did not listen to Moses. So if God's plan continues to FAIL, why would he deploy the same plan over and over again? Why send some random guy to preach his word? Einstein said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.Last edited by Flash7; 18-07-2012 at 20:20. -
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?How is it a failure of God's plan if people don't listen? Isn't it important that they have the free will to decide?(Original post by Flash7)
First, Moses turning his staff into stone wouldn't equate to God revealing himself to mankind. If God appeared before us it would be very impactful and would leave no doubt of his existence. Why would he not do this?
Secondly, you mentioned that Moses preached for 500 years. Do you really believe this? 500 years?
Last, you mentioned that people did not listen to Moses. So if God's plan continues to FAIL, why would he deploy the same plan over and over again? Why send some random guy to preach his word? Einstein said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. -
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Re: Can any religious person answer this question?When dealing with God, we are talking about an inexact science. There are numerous arguements that have been adopted over time, such as "God's will is so great we cannot fathom his plans," or "we must have faith," or "we need to have free will." I cannot say that any of these arguements have any merrit.(Original post by .eXe)
How is it a failure of God's plan if people don't listen? Isn't it important that they have the free will to decide?
What I can deduct thrugh reasoning is that if God created us all, and is just and fair, and loves us all equally, then he would want for us all to be in heaven and avoid hell. In order to avoid hell, we must know his rules and abide by them. If this is the case, then the plans that has deployed have failed.
Any plan that entails choosing a random guy "to go forth and spread my message" is not a plan destined for success. Of course people are not going to listen. It comes off as a fairy tale. Yet, this is the plan that the all-knowing god has used countless times according to the Bible and Qur'an.
I was arguing the counter point that if God exists, he should make it kown to all mankind that he does in fact exist. Not by turning a snake into stone or by flooding the world. Rather appear to all mankind and leave no doubt. This is the only fair way for everyone to have a choice in choosing to follow him and abiding by his rules. The fact that people turned away from God while kowing he exists according to the Bible and the Qur'an suggests that people can know of his existence and still retain their free will.
