[Metrobeans]

M102 - Motion on Trade Unions, TSR Government

This House condemns the Unite trade union's decision to start recruiting children as members of the union. We believe that such indoctrination and partisan behaviour is not acceptable and should be dealt with accordingly. We call upon the Government to ban trade unions to return to a society of self-determination and rugged individualism.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Olympics.html

[Birchington]

I agree that union membership should be voluntary, but the rest of this motion is disgraceful. Banning trade unions would undermine the most basic principles of democracy that Britain has historically upheld. The use of the Daily Mail as a source for this terrible motion is laughable and the government must be widely condemned for proposing such nonsense.

[toronto353]

(Original post by Birchington)
I agree that union membership should be voluntary, but the rest of this motion is disgraceful. Banning trade unions would undermine the most basic principles of democracy that Britain has historically upheld. The use of the Daily Mail as a source for this terrible motion is laughable and the government must be widely condemned for proposing such nonsense.

I would like to clarify that this is a UKIP member's first time at writing a motion, but we are willing to take on board criticism and indeed may drop the last sentence from the final vote.

[Birchington]

(Original post by toronto353)
May drop the last sentence from the final vote.

Please consider that. Although I don't agree with the union's plans for strike action, the government does not have the mandate to go around banning trade unions and thus damaging our democracy.

[cl_steele]

couldnt have put it than Birchington on this one.

[JPKC]

United we bargain, divided we beg!

I joined the Labour Party aged 13, I was not made to, it was completely voluntary. I was not brainwashed into doing it. The only such brainwashing going on here is the subscription by this government to the poisonous anti-union dogma of rightist newspapers and the big businesses that control them. How very dare you.

[Mechie]

Ban trade unions? Lol, no.

[Mr Dangermouse]

Wow, talk about a knee jerk reaction.


Obviously I'll condemn them for recruiting children but no to banning them.

[stanlas]

Banning trade unions? Did internetguru write this by any chance?

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by JPKC)
United we bargain, divided we beg!

I joined the Labour Party aged 13, I was not made to, it was completely voluntary. I was not brainwashed into doing it. The only such brainwashing going on here is the subscription by this government to the poisonous anti-union dogma of rightist newspapers and the big businesses that control them. How very dare you.

despite being in bed with them, the Labour party itself is not a trade union

[Moleman1996]

For me ban the union responsible only if we're going to ban anyone. Or illegalise it and then ban any who continue to recruit children.

[JPKC]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
despite being in bed with them, the Labour party itself is not a trade union

You're saying that a TU is more political than a political party? And FYI the Labour Party at a grassroots level is basically a big fun meeting up of trade unionists like myself. How dare Conservative Youth recruit young people! How dare they!

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by JPKC)
You're saying that a TU is more political than a political party? And FYI the Labour Party at a grassroots level is basically a big fun meeting up of trade unionists like myself. How dare Conservative Youth recruit young people! How dare they!

No, im saying that the labour party despite admirable beginnings is now just a tool for the unions to get what they want. They showed that when they elected Gromit instead of his brother as their leader.

[JPKC]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
No, im saying that the labour party despite admirable beginnings is now just a tool for the unions to get what they want. They showed that when they elected Gromit instead of his brother as their leader.

Yes, I'm proud of the labour movement and its influence in the Labour Party - the two entities are one in the same. So why's it okay to join Labour at 13 but not a union?

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by JPKC)
Yes, I'm proud of the labour movement and its influence in the Labour Party - the two entities are one in the same. So why's it okay to join Labour at 13 but not a union?

Trade unions are to protect the itnerests of the worker. How many of those 13 year olds do you think were in full time employment represented by said union?

[JPKC]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
Trade unions are to protect the itnerests of the worker. How many of those 13 year olds do you think were in full time employment represented by said union?

You don't have to be a worker to join actually. You just have to want to protect the interests of workers. That's why retired workers, workers' wives, non-workers are members.

[Moleman1996]

(Original post by JPKC)
You don't have to be a worker to join actually. You just have to want to protect the interests of workers. That's why retired workers, workers' wives, non-workers are members.

evidently, as children are joining

[mevidek]

LOL

Of course this bill is wrong, you don't just ban something completely for something so petty

[JPKC]

(Original post by Moleman1996)
evidently, as children are joining

So your entire argument then is "children shouldn't join because they are not workers" even though lots of union members aren't workers? Which nitwit wrote this motion?!

[RoryS]

I agree that children should not be part of trade unions but a big no to banning them completely.

(Original post by stanlas)
Banning trade unions? Did internetguru write this by any chance?

It could be.