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(Original post by Sternumator)
I agree with the article apart from the devaluing part. They forget that unis are not the same quality and employers know that. The average degree is worth less and average career prospects are worse but looking at the average is pointless. The average quality of student has also fallen so you have to compare similar students with each other. If the opening of oxford brookes has made an oxford degree worth less in the job market then they would have a point but it is no suprise that the average value of a degree from an institution in oxford fell after oxford brookes opened.

Totally agree with you, good use of the stats and getting to the real info


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[Trollolollol]

The people that are complaining about the polys are the ones going to decent but not great unis who believe they're better than everyone else. Personally they're scared people from polys will take their jobs. Those that are going to great does it really matter?


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[Billton]

(Original post by Muscovite)
and not even an apology from the lazy and/or thick Man met people for devaluing degrees of people who actually worked hard to get into good universities

I'm not lazy or thick. I work my backside off at MMU.
Don't generalise

[MattyJo]

(Original post by Billton)

I'm not lazy or thick. I work my backside off at MMU.
Don't generalise

Ignore him, he's been banned anyway.

[Meat is Murder]

Labour have distorted what university is. Giving everyone a chance to go to university, although nobel, misses the point and yes has devalued a degree. However, a degree from a Russell Group uni is still highly regarded and therefore worthwhile.

Lecturers at university should be merely sign posts for those who are have a natural amount of intellectual curiosity. This means only the brightest should go to uni and further themselves in their chosen subject area. Polytechnics are fine, education is good, but the subsequent qualification should be something different to a degree. A music tech degree is not the same thing as Law from a Russel Group and its only common sense to make this distinction.

[Billton]

(Original post by MattyJo)
Ignore him, he's been banned anyway.

Yeah I just saw. What a douche

[criminal]

Money is nothing but a piece of paper

[Trollolollol]

But can someone answer my problem about the slippery slope? Where does this "elitism" end? At the end of the day won't we end up with just Oxbridge, imperial etc . I'm sure some tosspot from those unis could happily argue Leeds isn't worth a damn


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[laura130490]

If people think that degrees from ex-polys are worthless and good employers won't even bother interviewing people unless they come from a Russel Group university (which is completely untrue btw). Why do you want to shut down non-Russel Group unis? Surely there is no need since apparently their degrees are worthless and everyone including employers knows this

Tbh it sounds like a lot of people on here don't like the competition. If your uni and degree is so much better than everyone else's then you have nothing to worry about.

[py0alb]

If we shut down all the ex-poly's, then where exactly are tomorrows golf course managers going to learn how to manage golf courses? I can hardly see Imperial College expanding its degree programs to accommodate it.

[Trollolollol]

(Original post by laura130490)
If people think that degrees from ex-polys are worthless and good employers won't even bother interviewing people unless they come from a Russel Group university (which is completely untrue btw). Why do you want to shut down non-Russel Group unis? Surely there is no need since apparently their degrees are worthless and everyone including employers knows this

Tbh it sounds like a lot of people on here don't like the competition. If your uni and degree is so much better than everyone else's then you have nothing to worry about.

Yeh that's what I said earlier, it's those going to decent not great unis who seem most sensitive about it.usually middle class kids ging to Leeds who feel they have right to look down on everyone else.


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[Trollolollol]

(Original post by py0alb)
If we shut down all the ex-poly's, then where exactly are tomorrows golf course managers going to learn how to manage golf courses? I can hardly see Imperial College expanding its degree programs to accommodate it.

LMAO


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[fortransexual]

(Original post by TheWorldEndsWithMe)
Okay, fine, so if I meet people who got DDE, then I probably will wonder what on earth they're studying and whether they'll get a decent job at the end of it. But I'm not going to judge them on their academia, which is what you appear to be doing.

But by your logic, it would make more sense for me to go to my insurance - University of Liverpool - rather than Anglia Ruskin, depsite the fact that AR is asking for 3 grades higher than Liverpool? I could get the Liverpool grades - BCC - with only a bit of effort, but getting the ABB for Anglia is taking quite a bit of effort on my part.
Sure sounds good to me, if all I cared about was getting into a Russel Group.


I'm not saying that some of the time, 'old' universities have harder courses than ex-polys, but it isn't fair to tar them all with the same brush.

Well it would probably make more sense for you to do so yes, in terms of your career prospects. Employers are not going to guess that liverpool had a lower offer (I didn't know they had anything that low). I'd be going there but still trying to get the best A levels possible.

I never said all RG universities are good so I don't have to defend liverpool but I would say that I went to a top 10 when I had offers from 2 places inside the top 4, and I'm constantly being told that my degree is worth less (some people even going as far to call it a 'different league') even though there is no difficulty differential between the courses.

However when I compare my work to the work done by people at ex-polys in a similar subject - they really are not in the same league.

[TheSownRose]

(Original post by py0alb)
If we shut down all the ex-poly's, then where exactly are tomorrows golf course managers going to learn how to manage golf courses? I can hardly see Imperial College expanding its degree programs to accommodate it.

I sense mockery, but that course has an extremely high employment rate. There was an excellent news article that I read a couple of years ago and have been trying to find ever since which discusses how people taking more niche degrees and get relevant experience alongside are better off in the graduate job market.

[fortransexual]

(Original post by Trollolollol)
But can someone answer my problem about the slippery slope? Where does this "elitism" end? At the end of the day won't we end up with just Oxbridge, imperial etc . I'm sure some tosspot from those unis could happily argue Leeds isn't worth a damn


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should be a rule that all courses requires a minimum of AAB (a reasonable set of grades for a reasonable student making a reasonable effort) - and there we go

[py0alb]

(Original post by TheSownRose)
I sense mockery, but that course has an extremely high employment rate. There was an excellent news article that I read a couple of years ago and have been trying to find ever since which discusses how people taking more niche degrees and get relevant experience alongside are better off in the graduate job market.

You sense wrongly. Why do you think I used golf course management as an example? It has the highest pre-graduation recruitment rate out of any UK undergraduate course. There is more than enough demand in the higher education market place for a range of institutions teaching a wide range of different subjects and skill sets.

[LSD]

(Original post by py0alb)
If we shut down all the ex-poly's, then where exactly are tomorrows golf course managers going to learn how to manage golf courses? I can hardly see Imperial College expanding its degree programs to accommodate it.

Regardless of mockery this is a really good point lmao


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[fortransexual]

(Original post by TheSownRose)
I sense mockery, but that course has an extremely high employment rate. There was an excellent news article that I read a couple of years ago and have been trying to find ever since which discusses how people taking more niche degrees and get relevant experience alongside are better off in the graduate job market.

niche... vocational training.... hmm yes sounds exactly like the kind of thing polytechnics offered before they changed their names to university of's

[Trollolollol]

(Original post by fortransexual)
should be a rule that all courses requires a minimum of AAB (a reasonable set of grades for a reasonable student making a reasonable effort) - and there we go

Why AAB tho, being a self righteous prick I see people that get AAB as those that haven't worked hard enough. Only people that get 10a* at gcse and a*a*a* "deserve" to go uni. Who are you to decide is the problem...


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[JoeDT94]

At the end of the day there are challenging A levels which require maximum effort from even the best students, and easier A levels that aren't regarded as highly, eg some kind of science compared to sociology etc. Unis are no different, and they shouldn't be. Like it's been said it comes down to the person at the end of the day more than it does where they've been.