Your undergraduate degree is nothing more than a piece of paper

Achieving AAB in which three subjects would be a good guide for someone's suitability for a non-academic university course?


What are we going to do with the majority of pupils who don't achieve AAB? Ban them from further education altogether? Confiscate their books and internet access? Chain them to a dustcart so they can fulfil their destiny as street cleaning technicians?

Yeh that's what I said earlier, it's those going to decent not great unis who seem most sensitive about it.usually middle class kids ging to Leeds who feel they have right to look down on everyone else.


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I totally agree its people like this that see only a few have select "right" to go uni, well if everyone thought that way we'd back in the elitist dark ages with only two universities


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Exactly. I've never had anyone who actually goes or went to Oxbridge look down on me, it's usually people from Birmingham or Nottingham who have this superiority complex. I honestly believe it's because they don't like the competition, otherwise why would they care?

Well it would probably make more sense for you to do so yes, in terms of your career prospects. Employers are not going to guess that liverpool had a lower offer (I didn't know they had anything that low). I'd be going there but still trying to get the best A levels possible.

I never said all RG universities are good so I don't have to defend liverpool but I would say that I went to a top 10 when I had offers from 2 places inside the top 4, and I'm constantly being told that my degree is worth less (some people even going as far to call it a 'different league') even though there is no difficulty differential between the courses.

However when I compare my work to the work done by people at ex-polys in a similar subject - they really are not in the same league.

let them go to a polytechnic if they want, or alternatively start working.

A lot of time could be saved

Totally agree I live in a council estate where my local high school doesn't have a sixth form. I'm going Oxford next year but I know what it's like to have it hard and going any uni is a big achievement and will make your life different. It's all the middle class ****ers that haven't acheived who want to see others as beneath them. Fear of competition perhaps


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And personally people with less than 70% a* at GCSE, no a*s at a2 shouldn't go. And whoops suddenly there's uproar because of all the middle class kids who thought they were better than others: oh but we have a right to education... Well so do those that go polys


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So the thing that really offends you is the name of the institution? You want some kind of stigma attached to those with more practical skill sets and qualifications to remind you how much better you are than them? Does that make you feel good? I hope your toilet explodes and your plumber tells you to fix it your ****ing self.

So the thing that really offends you is the name of the institution? You want some kind of stigma attached to those with more practical skill sets and qualifications to remind you how much better you are than them? Does that make you feel good? I hope your toilet explodes and your plumber tells you to fix it your ****ing self.

Totally agree I live in a council estate where my local high school doesn't have a sixth form. I'm going Oxford next year but I know what it's like to have it hard and going any uni is a big achievement and will make your life different. It's all the middle class ****ers that haven't acheived who want to see others as beneath them. Fear of competition perhaps


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I didn't say there had to be a stigma, that was you.

I just think it's overly PC to call two markedly different things the same thing

What you are describing is if I wanted to called two things that were the same by different names

I come from a council estate as well, went to one of the worst schools in the country and got the highest GCSEs results, which would still be considered crap on here by many (5A, 5B and 2C). I tried my best, working as many hours as I could and commuting three hours a day to college and got into a middle ranking uni to study science. I'm not a genius by any means, but I'm not stupid, far from it. Now I have an offer for a top grad scheme, but according to some on here people like me don't deserve academia and would be better suited working in a shop.

and not even an apology from the lazy and/or thick Man met people for devaluing degrees of people who actually worked hard to get into good universities

my point was more of an economic and principled one than any dig though tbh

But well done Laura and I hope you go far


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Explain how they're markedly different.


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