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    (Original post by IlexBlue)
    There are so many things wrong with this series, ranging from the guy tracking her cell phone and basically being an abusive creep, yanking her tampon out to have period sex and having and describing kinky whip sex while heavily pregnant (and going "oh lol look the baby likes sex too lolol" WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL) that I don't even know where to begin. If you like this book for any reason - even "hur it's crap i know but it's just so gosh darn interesting!" because it's just not - you are a pleb. No excuses.

    But I will say this: NO ONE GETS AN ORGASM SIMPLY FROM HAVING THEIR NIPPLES RUBBED ALL RIGHT
    Yeah, they can. Some people are uber sensitive and will have orgasms from anything. There's nothing wrong with the series, its not real, it's a fantasy in more ways than one. Also, whats wrong with having sex while a woman is on? and there's nothing wrong with kinky whip sex during pregnancy. The baby probably does like it too because of the feelings the mother gets from sex and her orgasm, its all connected inside. I enjoyed the book, it was great to read, and I'm not a pleb. It's just a book. They're meant to take you away from the world your in and imagine something else, which is what this book does for so many people.

    I just realised people have thought what I said negative. I haven't said anything hurting anyone? I just said what I know to be true.
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    (Original post by lilabs)
    This book has nothing to do with domestic abuse.
    Yes, domestic abuse is probably the wrong word because we weren't actually living together but it was a very abusive relationship. He would stalk me to and from work, check my phone to see how I've been in contact with, get very jealous of any male friends and essentially control my life and I just let him get away with it.

    Anyway, that's not the point. Fifty shades of Grey is an example of a very abusive relationship. It's not the BDSM that is the problem. Consensual BDSM is fine. I'm no prude and I like reading a good bit of smut. Hell, I've got a heap load of Mills & Boons books in my kindle so the sex doesn't bother me. It's all the stuff outside of sex that is so worrying :/

    Here's a summary of some of the abusive aspects of the Ana-Christian relationship in the first book. The font in bold what is considered a relationship red flag from the book "How to Spot a Dangerous Man Before You Get Involved" and the extracts are from a blog page "Sweaters For Days and Moves Like Jagger". I've just copied and pasted it since the author sums everything up better than I can and I wanted to share it.

    "You feel uncomfortable about something he has said or done, and the feeling remains. I don't think we need to cite any one particular incident where Ana has been made uncomfortable by Christian Grey. This is prevalent throughout the entire book.

    You wish he would go away, you want to cry, and you want to run away from him. Ana often thinks about how she can "escape" Christian, how she needs to find an exit, how she can't handle being around him because she can't trust herself to think clearly. On at least three encounters with Christian, Ana has ended up as a sobbing mess.

    You have the urge to "love him into emotional wellness," if that were possible. We know that Ana does seem to believe that she can change him, or that he has psychological wounds that need to be healed.

    You feel bad about yourself when you are around him. One of the clearest indicators, to me, anyway, that there is a power imbalance in their relationship is the fact that Ana constantly compares herself - how she looks, how she acts, how she's dressed - to Christian and his very wealthy lifestyle, and she always finds herself lacking. She often wonders why he's interested in her.

    You only feel good about yourself when you are with him. Conversely, Ana doesn't have a nice word to say about herself unless it is confirmed by Christian. When her roommate tells her that she's pretty, Ana interprets it as a patronizing compliment Kate can't possibly mean, but when Christian Grey calls Ana beautiful, she suddenly believes that she is. In fact, the only time she believes anything good about herself is when it's Christian pointing it out.

    You feel that he wants too much from you. I think this one requires very little explanation. Not only does he want more than she wishes to give, he constantly pressures her to give him what he wants.

    You are emotionally tired from him; you feel he "sucks the life out of you." Now, Ana never says, "he sucks the life out of me." But again, even in the first half of Fifty Shades of Grey, she's doing a lot of crying herself to sleep, needing to get away from him because he's too intense, etc.

    Your value system and his are very different, and it's problematic. I have this phrase I trot out from time to time with my friends who are dating: If you have to "work on" the relationship within the first month, it's not going to work out. Sometimes, people are simply incompatible. Ana and Christian have spent most of their relationship with Ana trying to find ways around giving Christian what he wants, and Christian refusing to bend on his expectations. This is not going to clear up in a few more dates.

    Your past and his are very different, and the two of you have conflicts over it. Spoiler alert, Christian is obsessive and controlling about food because he went hungry as a child. And that's just one of the ways their pasts differ in problematic ways. While Ana sees his earlier relationship with a much older woman as statutory rape, Christian believes that it was appropriate and has a continuing friendship with the woman, which makes Ana uncomfortable. Ana doesn't even want the type of relationship Christian is after, they both are aware of this fact, and he continues to pursue her - which is disrespectful and puts even more pressure on Ana.

    You feel isolated from other relationships with friends and family. Ana doesn't just feel isolated, she is isolated, by the nondisclosure agreement Christian asked her to sign. She finds herself living a double life in order to please Christian and still maintain her relationships with her loved ones.

    You feel in the wrong because he is always right and goes to great lengths to show you he is right. This was most obviously displayed in chapter fourteen, where Christian responds to all of Ana's concerns and questions with long explanations that dance around actual answers. This shows that he is extremely condescending and doesn't actually care about her concerns.


    You sense he is pushing too quickly for an emotional connection with you. Okay, this one, Ana wouldn't check off, but I would. From an outside observer standpoint, Christian is running a very good game of "pull her in, push her away," which is forcing an emotional connection with Ana. After having coffee with the guy once, she's on the floor of a parking garage sobbing. This isn't just Ana being emotionally immature, it's Ana being emotionally manipulated by Christian.

    You find yourself accepting him "for now" even though you have plenty of red flags that would help you to terminate the relationship if you paid attention to them. Ana is already aware that what she wants from the relationship and what Christian wants are two vastly different, completely incompatible things, but she commits to the relationship despite knowing it has no hope of a future."

    Still think there's no abuse in this relationship? These are just some examples. I didn't even mention the phone hacking or being stalked by Christians employees on his behalf or the tampon scene that is just so messed up that I can't even begin to fathom why E.L James thought that was romantic. But like I say, the novel romanticizes an abusive relationship. An abusive relationship doesn't have to have physical for it to be wrong. It can be abusive without physical marks. If it was a fictional novel about domestic abuse, showing how easy it is to fall into that trap but Ana eventually manages to pick herself up and move on then I'd say fine, fair enough. It does what it says on tin really. But it isn't. Nothing irks me more than constantly hearing/reading that Fifty Shades is such a romantic story. And it's all very well to claim that "oh, it's just fiction and fantasy" but it really isn't. Not anymore. I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard/read "Christian Grey is soooo hot. I wish I had my own." How many women are going to start thinking that it's okay to be stalked, manipulated and controlled your partner because Christian Grey does and "he's liek so hot!1!" He's not hot. Period. He's a step backwards for feminism.


    Full article can be found here:

    http://jenniferarmintrout.blogspot.c...1b1ac05e3f28b0
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    50 Shades of Grey is breaking a lot of long-standing taboos about people liking really poorly written fan fiction knock-offs, though....
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    I bought the trilogy at the start of the month, and I didn't like the first book much at all. I have read better erotica online. I like the third book as it has more of a plot and does not just focus on the sex which, in my opinion, gets pretty repetitive and mundane very quickly.

    This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my GT-S5360
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    (Original post by Miss Trololol)
    Still think there's no abuse in this relationship? Like I say, the novel romanticizes an abusive relationship. If it was a fictional novel about domestic abuse, showing how easy it is to fall into that trap but Ana eventually manages to pick herself up and move on then I'd say fine, fair enough. It does what it says on tin really. But it isn't. Nothing irks me more than constantly hearing/reading that Fifty Shades is such a romantic story. And it's all very well to claim that "oh, it's just fiction and fantasy" but it really isn't. I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard/read "Christian Grey is soooo hot. I wish I had my own." How many women are going to start thinking that it's okay to be stalked, manipulated and controlled your partner because Christian Grey does and "he's liek so hot!1!"
    Exactly. Every time someone goes on about how they wish they could find a man like Christian Grey, I have to suppress my rage at their idiocy/blindness.

    I actually had a dream last night that I was anaesthetising a woman to deliver twins called Christian and Grey. Unfortunately (in the dream) she hadn't fallen asleep by the time I decided to express my opinion on the subject... :o:
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    I really like the trilogy.
    I do admit that the way the writer describes the sex the same EVERYTIME gets very tedious. I didn't like the epilogue and the Christian's view bit in the final book though, or how it left them just going into the red room...
    I also didn't think it was that 'dirty' or 'sexual', it definitely could have been a lot worse (or a lot better in a graphical sense I guess) and all I ever hear about it is that it is porno in book form, which really isn't true unless porn is really that soft (I wouldn't know) but apart from that I loved the plot line and the characters.
    I really fell in love with them all and was absorbed into their world. It only took me 5 days to read all 3 books
    I think there is plenty of room for more 50 shades type books
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    Based on twilight... started off as fanfiction for twi****e. that says it all really.
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    Anyone seen the 'Fifty Shades of Glasgow' page on facebook? It's too funny.

    'Wee John ripped her 50p primark tights right off her "****in' watch ya wee mongo!" shouted Sammy "Ma maw got me them for ma 13th the other day". He pulled down her soakin wet "iloveprimark" pants and slipped the hawn. She had a fanny like a melted Iceland bag, plastered to the back off a 38 bus.' :teehee:
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    (Original post by Miss Trololol)
    Yes, domestic abuse is probably the wrong word because we weren't actually living together but it was a very abusive relationship. He would stalk me to and from work, check my phone to see how I've been in contact with, get very jealous of any male friends and essentially control my life and I just let him get away with it.

    Anyway, that's not the point. Fifty shades of Grey is an example of a very abusive relationship. It's not the BDSM that is the problem. Consensual BDSM is fine. I'm no prude and I like reading a good bit of smut. Hell, I've got a heap load of Mills & Boons books in my kindle so the sex doesn't bother me. It's all the stuff outside of sex that is so worrying :/

    Here's a summary of some of the abusive aspects of the Ana-Christian relationship in the first book. The font in bold what is considered a relationship red flag from the book "How to Spot a Dangerous Man Before You Get Involved" and the extracts are from a blog page "Sweaters For Days and Moves Like Jagger". I've just copied and pasted it since the author sums everything up better than I can and I wanted to share it.

    "You feel uncomfortable about something he has said or done, and the feeling remains. I don't think we need to cite any one particular incident where Ana has been made uncomfortable by Christian Grey. This is prevalent throughout the entire book.

    You wish he would go away, you want to cry, and you want to run away from him. Ana often thinks about how she can "escape" Christian, how she needs to find an exit, how she can't handle being around him because she can't trust herself to think clearly. On at least three encounters with Christian, Ana has ended up as a sobbing mess.

    You have the urge to "love him into emotional wellness," if that were possible. We know that Ana does seem to believe that she can change him, or that he has psychological wounds that need to be healed.

    You feel bad about yourself when you are around him. One of the clearest indicators, to me, anyway, that there is a power imbalance in their relationship is the fact that Ana constantly compares herself - how she looks, how she acts, how she's dressed - to Christian and his very wealthy lifestyle, and she always finds herself lacking. She often wonders why he's interested in her.

    You only feel good about yourself when you are with him. Conversely, Ana doesn't have a nice word to say about herself unless it is confirmed by Christian. When her roommate tells her that she's pretty, Ana interprets it as a patronizing compliment Kate can't possibly mean, but when Christian Grey calls Ana beautiful, she suddenly believes that she is. In fact, the only time she believes anything good about herself is when it's Christian pointing it out.

    You feel that he wants too much from you. I think this one requires very little explanation. Not only does he want more than she wishes to give, he constantly pressures her to give him what he wants.

    You are emotionally tired from him; you feel he "sucks the life out of you." Now, Ana never says, "he sucks the life out of me." But again, even in the first half of Fifty Shades of Grey, she's doing a lot of crying herself to sleep, needing to get away from him because he's too intense, etc.

    Your value system and his are very different, and it's problematic. I have this phrase I trot out from time to time with my friends who are dating: If you have to "work on" the relationship within the first month, it's not going to work out. Sometimes, people are simply incompatible. Ana and Christian have spent most of their relationship with Ana trying to find ways around giving Christian what he wants, and Christian refusing to bend on his expectations. This is not going to clear up in a few more dates.

    Your past and his are very different, and the two of you have conflicts over it. Spoiler alert, Christian is obsessive and controlling about food because he went hungry as a child. And that's just one of the ways their pasts differ in problematic ways. While Ana sees his earlier relationship with a much older woman as statutory rape, Christian believes that it was appropriate and has a continuing friendship with the woman, which makes Ana uncomfortable. Ana doesn't even want the type of relationship Christian is after, they both are aware of this fact, and he continues to pursue her - which is disrespectful and puts even more pressure on Ana.

    You feel isolated from other relationships with friends and family. Ana doesn't just feel isolated, she is isolated, by the nondisclosure agreement Christian asked her to sign. She finds herself living a double life in order to please Christian and still maintain her relationships with her loved ones.

    You feel in the wrong because he is always right and goes to great lengths to show you he is right. This was most obviously displayed in chapter fourteen, where Christian responds to all of Ana's concerns and questions with long explanations that dance around actual answers. This shows that he is extremely condescending and doesn't actually care about her concerns.


    You sense he is pushing too quickly for an emotional connection with you. Okay, this one, Ana wouldn't check off, but I would. From an outside observer standpoint, Christian is running a very good game of "pull her in, push her away," which is forcing an emotional connection with Ana. After having coffee with the guy once, she's on the floor of a parking garage sobbing. This isn't just Ana being emotionally immature, it's Ana being emotionally manipulated by Christian.

    You find yourself accepting him "for now" even though you have plenty of red flags that would help you to terminate the relationship if you paid attention to them. Ana is already aware that what she wants from the relationship and what Christian wants are two vastly different, completely incompatible things, but she commits to the relationship despite knowing it has no hope of a future."

    Still think there's no abuse in this relationship? Like I say, the novel romanticizes an abusive relationship. If it was a fictional novel about domestic abuse, showing how easy it is to fall into that trap but Ana eventually manages to pick herself up and move on then I'd say fine, fair enough. It does what it says on tin really. But it isn't. Nothing irks me more than constantly hearing/reading that Fifty Shades is such a romantic story. And it's all very well to claim that "oh, it's just fiction and fantasy" but it really isn't. I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard/read "Christian Grey is soooo hot. I wish I had my own." How many women are going to start thinking that it's okay to be stalked, manipulated and controlled your partner because Christian Grey does and "he's liek so hot!1!"

    Full article can be found here:

    http://jenniferarmintrout.blogspot.c...1b1ac05e3f28b0
    Okay, I'm on my phone so I can't truly respond to this. However, I've read your point through and I'm still no where near to being convinced that the book shows domestic abuse. At all! He points made are not exclusive to an abuse relationship, I sometimes feel I am not good enough for my partner, and we do sometimes cross on subjects to do with his past. I could say more on every point that I can link with myself and a lot of relationships, but none of yhem are abusive. At no point in the book does Christian attack or hurt Ana, either mentally or physically. yes they have ups and downs, she cries etc. but he does not beat her or taunt her with his words. I could say more on the matter, but its awkward on my phone haha. I ams solid in my belief that the book does not portray an aggressive relationship.t.
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    I read the book. I did enjoy the first 200 pages but the sex scenes got toooo repetitive and gratuitous. It was poorly written as well - I lost count on how many times her inner goddess and her subconscious made an appearance (I mean, seriously ?)

    The first book had a really lame ending as well
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    (Original post by humpdebump17)
    I am saddened that my link got deleted for "adult content" haha. Not pointing anyone towards anything or providing directions to it, I will merely make you all aware that there is a rather hilarious reading of the book by a certain Gilbert Gottfried - for those of you who don't know, he's the voice of Iago the parrot in Aladdin. And, you know, it may or may not be on YouTube.
    Happy now moderators? :^_^:
    (If this isn't allowed, then that just sucks).
    Is that what all the warning points are for? That's what happened to me on this thread, too (the link didn't even have any adult content!) :giggle:

    Well, I'm close to finishing it now, and really, there are no words. My cousin was reading the trilogy the other day and mentioned how she wished Christian Grey existed in real life. Really? The man who barges into a girl's flat, gets her to sign a contract, spanks her and tells her to wear this or that, real? Ana doesn't need a guy like him; she needs a restraining order.

    (At least he doesn't sparkle, though.)
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    (Original post by IlexBlue)
    There are so many things wrong with this series, ranging from the guy tracking her cell phone and basically being an abusive creep, yanking her tampon out to have period sex and having and describing kinky whip sex while heavily pregnant (and going "oh lol look the baby likes sex too lolol" WHAT THE ACTUAL HELL) that I don't even know where to begin. If you like this book for any reason - even "hur it's crap i know but it's just so gosh darn interesting!" because it's just not - you are a pleb. No excuses.

    But I will say this: NO ONE GETS AN ORGASM SIMPLY FROM HAVING THEIR NIPPLES RUBBED ALL RIGHT
    Actually it's more common than you think...the nipples can be extremely sensitive.

    But yes the books are a little bit crap
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    (Original post by Helenia)
    Exactly. Every time someone goes on about how they wish they could find a man like Christian Grey, I have to suppress my rage at their idiocy/blindness.

    I actually had a dream last night that I was anaesthetising a woman to deliver twins called Christian and Grey. Unfortunately (in the dream) she hadn't fallen asleep by the time I decided to express my opinion on the subject... :o:
    Oh no, I bet it's a premonition!
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    (Original post by Miracle Day)
    It's seriously all I'm hearing about.. people who've shown no remote interest in reading are now reading this? And when I've asked what it's about the response has been "It's a porn book".

    What is the hype?
    I haven't read it, but I know there is so much hype about it. Really it is porn, and now I see so many people reading it.

    It's about a man who loves to do S&M with a woman.
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    (Original post by lilabs)
    Okay, I'm on my phone so I can't truly respond to this. However, I've read your point through and I'm still no where near to being convinced that the book shows domestic abuse. At all! He points made are not exclusive to an abuse relationship, I sometimes feel I am not good enough for my partner, and we do sometimes cross on subjects to do with his past. I could say more on every point that I can link with myself and a lot of relationships, but none of yhem are abusive. At no point in the book does Christian attack or hurt Ana, either mentally or physically. yes they have ups and downs, she cries etc. but he does not beat her or taunt her with his words. I could say more on the matter, but its awkward on my phone haha. I ams solid in my belief that the book does not portray an aggressive relationship.t.
    Then I truly pity you
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    (Original post by Sophie1805)
    I bought it today, because I had heard loads about it!
    (Finished exams, and so walked into Tesco with the intention on stocking up on loads of books)..
    However, I had no idea of the plot 'til I got home, oops!
    Well what did you think it was about?
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    (Original post by Aisha~~)
    Terrible work of erotica. Plot is basically; billionaire finds cute girl. They have sex. The sex gets kinkier and kinkier.

    It seriously feels like it's been written by teenagers. The main character is tall, dark, handsome, a billionaire, has an enormous dick, doesn't have to work much, spends his money helping those in poverty, ripped, etc. Basically all of the mainstream attractive traits blown up massively in proportion.

    Throw in cute virgin girl discovering her darker sexual desires and you have a wonderful formula for wetting the panties of the more reserved female readers. It's the literary equivalent of really cliche porn. All exaggerated oooh and aaahing, not much real substance.
    Best explanation :yep:

    And I haven't even read the book.
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    (Original post by Harley)
    I read the first chapter online a while ago and the writing is terrible, you can tell it's just a dressed-up fanfic, it's so bad it's cringeworthy!
    I've got the Kindle app on my phone and I have downloaded the sample of the book to see what the fuss is about. I haven't bothered to read it yet.
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    (Original post by OmicronPersei8)
    Its basically badly written fan-fiction. It fetishes a very messed up relationship with a man who was sexually abused as a child. I read a beautifully scathing review of it on Goodreads that pretty much sums up all my feelings to this pos book
    :lol:
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    Having had to spend 8 hours on trains in the last two weeks, the amount of people I see reading it is phenomenal. Especially those who try to conceal it on a kindle but have it in such big print that it's more obvious than if they had the book.

    The last straw when I overheard two women who must have been in their 60s discussing it.

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