Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?So you think cosmetic surgery should be provided by the NHS?(Original post by Beebumble)
No they're morally stupid because they say they shouldn't on grounds it's not life threatening when I'm sure most of us have been treated by the NHS for something non-life threatning. -
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?If it's serious enough. It already is as I've mentioned 1000 times on thisthread before.(Original post by im so academic)
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?Even if that were true, are you saying those with unhappy childhoods dont deserve NHS help?(Original post by yothi5)
People like that are freaks. NHS should be treating only diseases and imo, being born into the wrong body is a state of mind led on by unhappy and damaged childhoods.
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?What do you mean by "serious" enough?(Original post by Beebumble)
If it's serious enough. It already is as I've mentioned 1000 times on thisthread before.
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?I agree with SaharaDesert. It's not life-saving treatment, and should be treated the same as unnecessary cosmetic surgery in terms of funding.(Original post by SaharaDesert)
I'm inclined to disagree with it too. There are more important things to worry about. If they want to have a sex change, that isn't essential i.e. they are not biologically intersex, then I think they should pay for it themselves.
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?The money could still be put to better use, rather than correcting something that it fine the way it is. If they want to pay for it themselves then that's fine, but I don't think they should be able to get it for free.(Original post by Beebumble)
They were before something went wrong in the stages of pregnancy. -
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?As in seriously effects someones well being. They'll find a way the NHS has coped with treating non-life threatening treatments without discriminating against one group through tough times before.(Original post by im so academic)
What do you mean by "serious" enough?
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?Who judges what is serious enough then? People with have their own bias and different places will get more or less people having it because of opinions. What is your view of a cosmetic procedure that is serious. Basically anyone could argue that something about them really has an impact on their mental health.(Original post by Beebumble)
If it's serious enough. It already is as I've mentioned 1000 times on thisthread before. -
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?It's not fine the way it is just because someone can live with it doesn't mean it's fine. Shall we not help deaf people hear because 'they're fine' the way they are and if they were supposed to hear they would.(Original post by DeadGirlsDance)
The money could still be put to better use, rather than correcting something that it fine the way it is. If they want to pay for it themselves then that's fine, but I don't think they should be able to get it for free.
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?A psychiatrist who are far more trained to figure out if people can live with their flaws than people on a forum.(Original post by DeadGirlsDance)
Who judges what is serious enough then? People with have their own bias and different places will get more or less people having it because of opinions. What is your view of a cosmetic procedure that is serious. Basically anyone could argue that something about them really has an impact on their mental health. -
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?Many people have to live with things they're not happy with, why should one group of people get the operation that they want when there are illnesses or deformities that people can die from? Obviously we should because they're not fine, they're more likely to be at danger in the everday world because they don't have one of their senses that're needed for survival and are more likely to be a victim of crime.(Original post by Beebumble)
It's not fine the way it is just because someone can live with it doesn't mean it's fine. Shall we not help deaf people hear because 'they 'fine' the way they are and if they were supposed to hear they would.
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?Absolutely not. What kind of country do we live in when people are denied cancer treatments that can extend the amount of time they can spend with young children, and then justify spending a fortune on gender reassignment surgery? If people want this kind of thing, they have to pay for it themselves. It's entirely unnecessary and altogether far too expensive to justify when the NHS struggles for funds as it is. It genuinely disgusts me to hear about things like this, and cosmetic surgery that isn't reconstructive, and gastric bands for people who can't stick to diet and exercise; why in the name of god is my tax money spent on THAT? I begrudge a single penny of money I work for being spent on that kind of thing, but if it's spent on something proper like treating a cancer sufferer or heart patient or whatever, someone who isn't taking something they don't need (and I seriously think if they REALLY want to go through with this type of treatment, they can and should pay for it themselves, therefore we don't need to pay for it), then the NHS is a great thing.
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?I'm sure that there would be plenty of ways around your perfect idea(Original post by Beebumble)
A psychiatrist who are far more trained to figure out if people can live with their flaws than people on a forum.. Also it's likely that they would be discouraged to put certain people through for procedures to keep the costs down for the NHS as are lots of general things now.
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?People who are deaf are not invalids those who are born deaf have adapted to cope with the environment. Again I ask you about the woman who got her face ripped off why should she get treatment when their are illnesses people can die from?(Original post by DeadGirlsDance)
Many people have to live with things they're not happy with, why should one group of people get the operation that they want when there are illnesses or deformities that people can die from? Obviously we should because they're not fine, they're more likely to be at danger in the everday world because they don't have one of their senses that're needed for survival and are more likely to be a victim of crime.
Transexuals actually have one of the highest murder rates than any other group and the highest suicide rates that's not including those who committed suicide without anyone knowing they are trans. -
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?Those within the NHS don't appear to have a problem with funding gender reassignments.(Original post by DeadGirlsDance)
I'm sure that there would be plenty of ways around your perfect idea. Also it's likely that they would be discouraged to put certain people through for procedures to keep the costs down for the NHS as are lots of general things now.
Actually what are you on about? This isn't 'my idea' this is something that is happening!Last edited by Beebumble; 22-06-2012 at 20:19. -
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?Please stop reading the daily wail it's not good for you.(Original post by nicola93)
Absolutely not. What kind of country do we live in when people are denied cancer treatments that can extend the amount of time they can spend with young children, and then justify spending a fortune on gender reassignment surgery? If people want this kind of thing, they have to pay for it themselves. It's entirely unnecessary and altogether far too expensive to justify when the NHS struggles for funds as it is. It genuinely disgusts me to hear about things like this, and cosmetic surgery that isn't reconstructive, and gastric bands for people who can't stick to diet and exercise; why in the name of god is my tax money spent on THAT? I begrudge a single penny of money I work for being spent on that kind of thing, but if it's spent on something proper like treating a cancer sufferer or heart patient or whatever, someone who isn't taking something they don't need (and I seriously think if they REALLY want to go through with this type of treatment, they can and should pay for it themselves, therefore we don't need to pay for it), then the NHS is a great thing. -
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?I immediately thought 'no' to this question, as I think of all those suffering from unavoidable and life threatening diseases such as cancer etc, and how the money should be spent on saving their lives. However, those suffering with identity disorder have not chosen to feel that way, so therefore is it unavoidable too? Perhaps yes, and if the mental state of that person could result in them perhaps committing suicide or harming themselves because they feel they are in the 'wrong body', then isn't it also life threatening? The NHS is surely all about helping people and saving people's lives, and in many cases I believe that sex changes could save people's lives.
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?You signed up to say that?(Original post by nicola93)
Absolutely not. What kind of country do we live in when people are denied cancer treatments that can extend the amount of time they can spend with young children, and then justify spending a fortune on gender reassignment surgery? If people want this kind of thing, they have to pay for it themselves. It's entirely unnecessary and altogether far too expensive to justify when the NHS struggles for funds as it is. It genuinely disgusts me to hear about things like this, and cosmetic surgery that isn't reconstructive, and gastric bands for people who can't stick to diet and exercise; why in the name of god is my tax money spent on THAT? I begrudge a single penny of money I work for being spent on that kind of thing, but if it's spent on something proper like treating a cancer sufferer or heart patient or whatever, someone who isn't taking something they don't need (and I seriously think if they REALLY want to go through with this type of treatment, they can and should pay for it themselves, therefore we don't need to pay for it), then the NHS is a great thing. -
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Re: Should the NHS cover the costs of sex change?(Original post by Beebumble)
If it's serious enough. It already is as I've mentioned 1000 times on thisthread before.
Agreed!!
