Irshad Manji
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Re: Irshad ManjiBecause it is a condition of being a Muslim that we believe that the Qur'an is flawless and has never been tampered with. If you don't beleive that, you're not a Muslim.(Original post by ExMuslim)
You Muslims also believe that the torah and the gospels were sent down by god, right? You say that they have been tampered with and edited, so why do you refuse the possibility of the same happening to the quran? When the quran was originally being compiled into one coherent book by the caliph Umar, there was said to be several different versions and he rather arbitrarily decided which was authentic and which ones were altered and in the process destroyed many other versions of the quran. Me thinks there is a possibility that some editing could have taken place then.
The Qur'an has been memorised by millions of people all over the world. This is what gives it the legitimacy that other texts don't have. People can commit the Qur'an to writing through their memory rather than by copying which can infer mistakes. -
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Re: Irshad Manji(Original post by ExMuslim)
An extremist Muslim in my view is a Muslim who follows the religion to the t. You know, those people who are up at 3am praying fajr at the mosque, discussing the glorious exploits of the sahaba until 12 then praying yet again towards mecca. They also generally tend to have long, unkept beards and keep their thobes above their knees. I'm sure you've met them at your mosque, if you're a sunni.
What would you do if your daughter came home and said she was a lesbian feminist? I hope you'd be tolerant of her newly found beliefs.
'And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not.' - (2:13)
We get it, you're a munafiq. You have limited time before you meet your creator and you're here making threads on tsr. Nice.
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Re: Irshad Manjishe does think its the word of god.(Original post by Killuminati1989)
Hmmm a woman who insists the quran is not the word of god, that the prophet has flaws and is a lesbian... well its baffling why she's not more widely accepted
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Re: Irshad Manjishe said its man made inspired by the idea of a god didn't she??? or something to that effect(Original post by Luxray)
she does think its the word of god. -
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Re: Irshad ManjiHmm not sure, can you point me to the source. To be honest I've only read a tiny bit about her, first place I read about her was here http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...i-muslim-video(Original post by Killuminati1989)
she said its man made inspired by the idea of a god didn't she??? or something to that effect
And I agree with everything she said - muslims these days are afraid to question things these days. -
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Re: Irshad ManjiShe kinda goes against the main views of Islam... As a muslim, we believe that the Qu'ran is the word of Allah. So to say it was inspired.. well you can see why muslims would be a bit skeptical.
Though me? I say, only Allah will judge her so it doesnt matter whether I percieve her as a muslim or not. It has nothing to do with me lol. -
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Re: Irshad ManjiThere were different copies of the qu'ran during the time of Umar (the caliph).(Original post by Spaz Man)
Because it is a condition of being a Muslim that we believe that the Qur'an is flawless and has never been tampered with. If you don't beleive that, you're not a Muslim.
The Qur'an has been memorised by millions of people all over the world. This is what gives it the legitimacy that other texts don't have. People can commit the Qur'an to writing through their memory rather than by copying which can infer mistakes.
That means the qu'ran has not always been one and the same. There were different qu'rans. Your Allah seems to have failed once again to protect his book, like he failed with the torah and gospels. What kind of god is this who can't even keep simple books from being corrupted? -
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Re: Irshad Manjilol yh i was thinking the same... is she a tranny?(Original post by B-Man.)
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Re: Irshad ManjiHurm... how do you propose to a 'God' to take care of His book(s)? Wouldn't that somehow contradict the meaning of faith? If He just shows up, I'd bet everyone on TSR would be peeing in their pants of disbelief lol.(Original post by ExMuslim)
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Re: Irshad Manji(Original post by Dirac Delta Function)
If you think Irshad Manji is unorthodox you should check out Michael Muhammad Knight. That guy's..bohemian...Last edited by B-Man.; 19-07-2012 at 21:37. -
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Re: Irshad ManjiIf your god shies away from even the smallest demonstrations of power then truly he is a weak ass god! He should stop calling himself "all power". I need me a real god, somebody who aint afraid to come down from heaven and kick ass.(Original post by kka25)
Hurm... how do you propose to a 'God' to take care of His book(s)? Wouldn't that somehow contradict the meaning of faith? If He just shows up, I'd bet everyone on TSR would be peeing in their pants of disbelief lol. -
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Re: Irshad ManjiYou sound like a child with this reply...(Original post by ExMuslim)
If your god shies away from even the smallest demonstrations of power then truly he is a weak ass god! He should stop calling himself "all power". I need me a real god, somebody who aint afraid to come down from heaven and kick ass. -
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Re: Irshad ManjiStevee will 90% reply to a thread on muslims(Original post by Steevee)
80% of Muslims will say she can't be a Muslim.
10% Will brand her an apostate, blasphemer and degenerate and call for some sort of punishment or her death.
10% will be rather nicer and hopefully accept her.
Truth right there.
Stevee will 95% reply in a bigotted manner on muslims
Stevee will 100% have no life or know what hes talking about ...
Truth right there my man.Last edited by khala; 23-06-2012 at 16:13. -
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Re: Irshad ManjiDeadly accurate. If this is an exam test, I'd give you an A*.(Original post by khala)
Stevee will 90% reply to a thread on muslims
Stevee will 95% reply in a bigotted manner on muslims
Stevee will 100% have no life or know what hes talking about ...
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Re: Irshad ManjiThere is a 100% chance that Khala needs to go back to school, because he/she/it clearly doesn;t understand how percentages work(Original post by khala)
Stevee will 90% reply to a thread on muslims
Stevee will 95% reply in a bigotted manner on muslims
Stevee will 100% have no life or know what hes talking about ...
Truth right there my man.
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Re: Irshad ManjiThe Qur'an has not been corrupted and never will be. Allah's name is above all that is said of him.(Original post by ExMuslim)
There were different copies of the qu'ran during the time of Umar (the caliph).
That means the qu'ran has not always been one and the same. There were different qu'rans. Your Allah seems to have failed once again to protect his book, like he failed with the torah and gospels. What kind of god is this who can't even keep simple books from being corrupted?
That said, Umar only rejected those which he knew to be wrong after consulting allof the Hafiz (memorisers of the Qur'an) in the city. Any mushafs with defects were immediately rejected. The Qur'an was properly canonised during the caliphate of Uthman ibn al Affan.
