[math1234]

(Original post by VQG)
As far as I know Pakistan have never even won a war let alone a war with India.

your knowledge is very poor

[umarrehman187]

(Original post by VQG)
As far as I know Pakistan have never even won a war let alone a war with India.

well you dont know much then, jus go watch your stupid bollywood movies

[@Sam]

Training exercises mean very little when it comes to an actual warfare scenario, every war that we have seen in recent years has exposed often major issues with the way the forces were operating beforehand. The obvious example would be the Falklands in 1982 but even more modern wars have demonstrated how we are so poorly equipped for areas of conflict. Look at the MRAP, an almost entirely new type of armoured vehicle that has been evented and shipped in the thousands to frontline units within a decade, simply because there were no (or very few) suitably armoured vehicles in service that had the urban operating capacity. Very few British Army commanders went into Afghanistan thinking that the Land Rover would be up for replacement in its armoured configurations, official estimates from the United States with the HMMWV said the same.

The general issue is that it is very hard to produce and develop concept ideas in training that can be readily applied to combat, no military is going to introduce any new protocol without having any real combat case studies – they have tried it in the past and got it wrong, in their view it is easier to fail with an existing system that can be attributed publically to past commanders than to fail with their own system at their own expense.

On the overall topic the German military which is effectively a non-interventionist regional defence force with global peacekeeping cooperation with an Army that is effectively a front-line force in one of the world’s most volatile regions with projection responsibilities it is a nonstarter. Comparing these two forces is ridiculous and pointless unless we are actually going to go into specific areas of their policy but even then their requirements are so vastly apart that would be fairly pointless. Comparing militaries is either neighbour-to-neighbour or in a global context with powers of a similar status and size; New Zealand and Norway for example; same population, both NATO contributors, internationally deployed, maritime a key focus etc.

[4metal]

(Original post by M1011)
1. If I recall my history lessons correctly, the Soviet Union wouldn't have stood a chance if it hadn't been for two simple facts; the Germans were also at war with the UK, France (lol) and America, and weather.

2. Great, I'm sure India has some exceptional soldiers. My point was the German culture is pretty uniquely suited to warfare, much like the Japanese culture (althought perhaps not so suicidal).

3. Depends how you define those terms really.

Either way, I'm not a German so believe what you want, but I doubt you're thinking objectively. Germany is the powerhouse of Europe, India is relatively new to the game, my money would be on Germany.

75% of the german army was fighting in the soviet union, so your argument about the west is flawed. The weather? That was one factor. The Soviet Union had vast territories, industry, men and logstics.

The german culture is indeed suited for warfare and they still lost 2 world wars.

[Awyk]

Fact of the matter is I you have a big army you will have to feed your men, even in the early stages of rearmament for germany they where said to have the strongest army in the world course a lot has changed since then but it shows how even a smaller army can dominate with countries with larger army's struggling we saw this with the Russian army when they were stuck on their way to Germany because of the Austro Hungarian army which was able to hold them back and stale for time.

Now to address the argument about whether India is a superpower or not and really I highly doubt they are even close to it, with the amount of human rights violations going on in the place I think people need to become more aware of it and you can use as many false statistics as you like there is no covering up the truth. As I said before India needs to fix its population problems, stop hiding behind other countries and quiet frankly not become enemy's with countries who have over 30 million troops on standby and more waiting.

Sorry for any random spelling mistakes it's 5 in the morning havnt had any sleep and I'm typing from my phone.

[rock_climber86]

(Original post by Politricks)
In terms of naval power, man power, air power, and resources, it would have to be India.
However, Germany has a bigger defence budget than India; the defence budget of Germany is $41 Billion, whereas for India it's $36.03 Billion.

I guess India is more stronger for now because they're more ready and equipped to respond to any threat from Pakistan (or China), or terrorists. India is in a more alert state, but both the Indian and German armies are amazing, and have state of the art technology; both India and Germany are definitely worthy enough to be compared.

land battle india would probably win by shear weight of numbers! If it comes to a normal war, india would initially have the advantage but we know the german war machine and their worth ethic, efficiency and they'd quickly develop and then beat india, that's assuming no one else gets involved though

[rock_climber86]

(Original post by The Dark Lord)
This is one of the most ridiculous comments I've seen!

Other countries invest in India for their own benefit as well - When you say they are in a good way because of help from the UK, that is completely wrong! The break up of the Empire left India in a terrible state. India have done exceedingly well to be in the position they are now in through their own initiative.

Big Indian companies have no need whatsoever to move their headquarters from India; that is where their market is and it is much cheaper for them to stay. In fact, the reverse is happening - rich Western companies are moving TO India, which will only improve India's position still further.

So yeah, you could not be more mistaken.

Never underestimate the germans. They are logistical geniuses! Indians have the man power, but are not as organised and efficient as the germans!

[Luffy.]

India have a stronger military but the gap is very small now. After few decades the gap will become huge.

[tehFrance]

(Original post by Xamanus)
Just Curious .

Germany and if they decide to remove the shackles of WW2 (and lets be honest they don't need to keep to some agreements of what they can and cannot do with their military anymore), they could build the world's strongest military once again.

[Cannotbelieveit]

It's a tough one.

Germany has much better equipment, with the G36 Assault Rifle, Leopard 2 tank and the Typhoon Jetfighter. Also Germany has superior training, but a weak navy.

India have inferior morale and training, but their Army is huge and reasonably well equipped. Their airforce is decent with some good Russian planes, and they also have an aircraft carrier.

I'd say India

[@Sam]

Calling the German Navy weak is a rather short-sighted statement, yes it does maintain an operationally small fleet but it is full of state-of-the-art warships, it maintains its position as the world leader in developing frigates and submarines which could be produced en mass if the situation called upon it. For a nation with a very small maritime edge it punches well above its weight, if they made the decision to incorporate amphibious assault ships alongside existing programs such as the new F125 destroyers then it would most certainly become a first rate Navy ahead of say the Dutch.

[kaboon-supreme]

(Original post by Xamanus)
Lot of people live under the $1.5 a week which is the international poverty line mark. $1.5 = 90 rs which is a lot for the poor parts of India. Farmers can live well with that much in the backward parts. Anyway India has the richest and the poorest people in the world.

Also China has 17% poverty and India is not far behind.

but china is already the richest country in the world and it is predicted it's economy will douple by 2050

[Leavemyarcelona]

Germany, without a shadow of a doubt. The bundeswehr is formidable.

[kaboon-supreme]

at the end of the day it is the 300 spartans vs 10,000 persian army.

[de_monies]

(Original post by umarrehman187)
well everything american do, india is like the backside of them from hollywood to bollywood they copy everything even speak english loooool so i guess they would go running to america just like they did when pakistani nearly beat thier ass in kargil or summit (but obv they made a film to show indian people won, when actually thier prime misnister at that time told america to help)

but if america has indias back, then I guess india wins

You're nothing more than a disgusting, bigoted racist and you should be ashamed of what you said.Some of the best advice I've been given here has been from an Indian. (BTW, I'm Pakistani)

If you've been following the news, you'll notice that Pakistan is cosying up to China, Iran, Russia and India

It makes sense for them to do so, considering the geo politics, and potential tension between the two nations

That being said, I was quite surprised to realise that India is better on the international league tables than the UK is. I shouldn't be surprised, considering their rise, but I didn't think it would be that quick!

(Original post by perfectsymbology)
The only way to truly find out is to start a war and put it to the test. The American military got severely found out in Iraq despite their all their massive massive military spending and training.

Fair point. It's brains, and knowing your enemy that are definitely the most valuable asset an army could have imo. I don't wish to sound patronising, but America wouldn't have done as badly as they did, if they didn't go in with a trigger happy approach

[Awyk]

(Original post by de_monies)
You're nothing more than a disgusting, bigoted racist and you should be ashamed of what you said.Some of the best advice I've been given here has been from an Indian. (BTW, I'm Pakistani)

If you've been following the news, you'll notice that Pakistan is cosying up to China, Iran, Russia and India

It makes sense for them to do so, considering the geo politics, and potential tension between the two nations

That being said, I was quite surprised to realise that India is better on the international league tables than the UK is. I shouldn't be surprised, considering their rise, but I didn't think it would be that quick!



Fair point. It's brains, and knowing your enemy that are definitely the most valuable asset an army could have imo. I don't wish to sound patronising, but America wouldn't have done as badly as they did, if they didn't go in with a trigger happy approach

This, there is no need silly arguments between India and Pakistan, both countries need to realise their problems and fix them and we have started to see this with Pakistan who are trying to come up with a fix for the nations power shortages by working alongside Russia.

[wenger16]

(Original post by Awyk)
I understand where you are coming from but indias time is short lived they are only where they are because help from the uk and other countries as people within India become richer I think they will start to move their businesses from India and into other countries and we are seeing this with indias skilled workers.

https://investments.hsbc.co.uk/artic...v_gic_SE_199_R

interesting read.

[Awyk]

(Original post by The Dark Lord)
This is one of the most ridiculous comments I've seen!

Other countries invest in India for their own benefit as well - When you say they are in a good way because of help from the UK, that is completely wrong! The break up of the Empire left India in a terrible state. India have done exceedingly well to be in the position they are now in through their own initiative.

Big Indian companies have no need whatsoever to move their headquarters from India; that is where their market is and it is much cheaper for them to stay. In fact, the reverse is happening - rich Western companies are moving TO India, which will only improve India's position still further.

So yeah, you could not be more mistaken.

Yes the breakup of India left them in a very bad state but it was the investment made then which allowed for such a rapid expansion of wealth to take place and other countries invested in india for their own benefits too but because of those investments they are where they are now also why would a company who's product has dominated the market in india limit themselves to one country this would only lead to over production and a drop in prices just as we saw in the wall street crash and the cheap labour going on in India will hopefully end as many of those workers are working in conditions which would make the rest of us cry to be back in our jobs and to even support that cheap labour I think is despicable.

[de_monies]

(Original post by Awyk)
This, there is no need silly arguments between India and Pakistan, both countries need to realise their problems and fix them and we have started to see this with Pakistan who are trying to come up with a fix for the nations power shortages by working alongside Russia.

Well Pakistan seems to be cosying up to India now, which could help "fix" some of it's problems. I might be a bit of an optimist here, but I'd imagine in another war scenario, Pakistan would be forced to be neutral, considering that they've already said that they would have nothing to do with a possible Iran war ie: they will neither support, nor wage war against Iran and considering Pakistan's ties with both Eastern and Western allies, if a WW3 scenario ever came up, Pakistan is not exactly a big player and would be forced to remain neutral

That's my stance on it any way

[Fynch101]

Who gives a flying ****. What on earth does it matter to any of us?