Should animal testing be allowed?
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?Well I support neither animal nor human testing, since it's proven that it can be done w/o either, but at a higher financial cost.(Original post by robo donkey)
You support torture?
You could argue that either way is torture, for people or for animals.
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?Beyond what we already do you mean? I fully agree(Original post by Tahooper)
I'd prefer it if we introduced voluntary medical experiments on humans. -
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?Well I believe if people chose to be more rigorously tested then it will reduce involuntary animal testing.(Original post by robo donkey)
Beyond what we already do you mean? I fully agree
The people who volunteer for the testing should be of sound mind though, and be fully informed of the potential risks. -
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?So instead of exploiting animals we would exploit other humans? Yes, they would have to consent. But just think for a moment about who would agree to take money in return for having potentially lethal drugs tested on them.(Original post by Tahooper)
I'd prefer it if we introduced voluntary medical experiments on humans.
This wouldn't be like testing on humans now where the vast majority of tests are safe, because they have already passed multiples tiers of safety trial in animals. This would involve testing on humans all the drugs which at present never make it to human testing because they cause death or disease in animal subjects.
The only people who would consent would be those who are so desperate for the money that they are willing to risk their own lives. And this is supposed to be more ethically sound than animal testing? This is an intellectually lazy approach adopted only by those who are confident that it would never be they who would be volunteering as a test subject. -
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?So the first true human test would be the first patient to be prescribed the new drug? And this is supposed to be better than testing in a controlled environement? Whatever you think about animal vs human testing, this is nuts!(Original post by FatCharlie)
Well I support neither animal nor human testing, since it's proven that it can be done w/o either, but at a higher financial cost. -
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?Then don't make money an incentive.(Original post by mja)
So instead of exploiting animals we would exploit other humans? Yes, they would have to consent. But just think for a moment about who would agree to take money in return for having potentially lethal drugs tested on them.
This wouldn't be like testing on humans now where the vast majority of tests are safe, because they have already passed multiples tiers of safety trial in animals. This would involve testing on humans all the drugs which at present never make it to human testing because they cause death or disease in animal subjects.
The only people who would consent would be those who are so desperate for the money that they are willing to risk their own lives. And this is supposed to be more ethically sound than animal testing? This is an intellectually lazy approach adopted only by those who are confident that it would never be they who would be volunteering as a test subject. -
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?(Original post by mja)
So the first true human test would be the first patient to be prescribed the new drug? And this is supposed to be better than testing in a controlled environement? Whatever you think about animal vs human testing, this is nuts!
Not sure if you actually read what I wrote or not. I am for neither animal nor human testing BECAUSE it has been proven that clinical testing is just as good and "safe". It just will cost you a bit more. And I pref spending more money on perfecting the clinical tests with machines so in the long run it will be just as "cheap" as animal testing. -
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?I support animal testing for medical purposes with all my heart. Until there is a better substitute, I support it 100%.
The funny thing is, people who are saying it is disgusting have benefited from it. Hypocritical when you think about it. -
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?How long have you been on TSR?(Original post by blueray)
We wouldn't subject these disgusting tests on "a less intelligent human" who didn't get all A*s at GCSE. It's sickening.
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?Exactly this. At the end of the day, they're just animals. Yes it's not their fault they are but then again some people are born rich and some people are born poor... life is unfair for all.(Original post by pinda.college)
I would rather have animals tested on than us to be frankly honest. I realise that the neg brigade will be all over my ass for supporting animal testing however, I don't give a ****.
The way I see it, animal testing keeps the dangerous products away from us.
LOL. What? Are you being serious?(Original post by falseprofit)
If we didn't use animals for testing we would probably have to use black people. Black people tend to put up a better fight than animals. So animals are easier. Anyone who is against testing on animals must be for testing on black people. How can people be so disgustingly racist? -
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?Read the join date and you will know.(Original post by Great Lord Xenu)
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?In an ideal world, no. And it should be clarified that testing is first done on cells and tissues cultured in a lab to test for effectiveness, before being tested on animals. And now, more and more of the testing is able to be carried out without the use of animals but I think it is a necessary step (and guidelines are in place to ensure that as few as possible are used, and pain etc is minimised where possible). The alternative is to a) test on humans. This is far more unethical and for this reason, is unlikely to happen or 2) release products that haven't been fully tested onto the market...I don't know about you, but I don't like the sound of that one bit. Of course I don't like the idea of testing on animals, but I just think it's unavoidable if we want to be completely thorough.
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The main problem with animal testing, moral ethical views aside, is that the scientific results are just often not reliable enough to be safe for humans.
Animals are very biologically different from humans, even chimps. But think about it- something that works fine on a rat? Will it really work in exactly the same way on a human? -Course not!
There have been many extreme examples of this such as that morning sickness pill which caused human babies to have missing limbs in the 1950's, and more recently when a group of young men consented to testing that was 'proved safe' whereby one's face swelled up and another had to have amputated digits due to the effect of the drug.
However, we must have some way of testing new medicines in order to make the necessary advancement for treating life threatening diseases such as cancer and heart trouble. And by far the most reliable and accurate method is computer simulation if the human body. From what i have read this seems to be a far better alternative for all those concerned. It is humane, inexpensive and scientifically reliable, so it response to the question i would definitely say avoid animal testing as far as possible.
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Re: Should animal testing be allowed?Off topic, but good luck against Spain next week(Original post by katyness)
Exactly this. At the end of the day, they're just animals. Yes it's not their fault they are but then again some people are born rich and some people are born poor... life is unfair for all.
LOL. What? Are you being serious?
