[Martyn*]

Anyone who says that they support the Tories because their instincts are Conservative should be severely whacked with a wet plimsol.

[the bear]

(Original post by derangedyoshi)
what?

Away an stoap bumpin yer gums ya bletherin auld skite

[the bear]

(Original post by Martyn*)
Anyone who says that they support the Tories because their instincts are Conservative should be severely whacked with a wet plimsol.(sic)

hmmm some kind of L****r perversion methinks

[the bear]

(Original post by Fallen)
Nah, I want to keep him as Major. MINE. <3

i saw him first

[derangedyoshi]

(Original post by the bear)
Away an stoap bumpin yer gums ya bletherin auld skite

...right then.

[Martyn*]

(Original post by the bear)
hmmm some kind of L****r perversion methinks

I would get no sexual gratification from a Tory, believe me.

[mrshinyshoes]

(Original post by derangedyoshi)
The fact that your reasons for voting Tory are a mixture of false or unsubstantiated allegations against the Labour party, combined with comments on the personality and fashion sense of its leader, instead of actually supporting what they've done in the past 2 years (renege on pre-election promises, bring the country into a double-dip recession through dreadful ideological economic strategy, make approximately 43 u-turns per second...) says something.

Ermm pretty sure it was lib dems who broke the pre election promise..

and lets not forget who took the country into recession, oh and who sold some of our gold reserves for a HUGE loss? Mr Brown!

Labour at the moment are alright, but mr milliband has got to go, he's just poor as a leader, has no authority whatsoever.

[Moaning Myrtle]

If we are getting into sweeping statements i would say that my observation is that Labour supporters' main focus is themselves - how right-on are their own motives, how they are perceived by others etc. This is why so many actors and others in the media noisily support Labour. The Tory supporters who I have met seem more likely to be interested in the issues and what works. I know this is contrary to the general stereotype

[pshewitt1]

(Original post by derangedyoshi)
The fact that your reasons for voting Tory are a mixture of false or unsubstantiated allegations against the Labour party, combined with comments on the personality and fashion sense of its leader, instead of actually supporting what they've done in the past 2 years (renege on pre-election promises, bring the country into a double-dip recession through dreadful ideological economic strategy, make approximately 43 u-turns per second...) says something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQVF9s01NYI

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...al-416926.html

...awkward...

[Dr. Bassman]

(Original post by the bear)
i am not a member of the Conservative Party but all my instincts are conservative. Thus i vote for them. The other party trashed the education system and the economy. Apart from banning smoking the other party have done nothing of worth for the country. The new leader of the other party combines the fashion sense of Mr Brown with the charisma of Mr Brown.

I'm not a labour supporter by any means, I actually actively despise them (albeit as much as the tories) but I disagree that they've not done anything of worth. They did do some pretty good stuff, it's just they did a lot more bad than good. They had to go... only problem is they had to be replaced haha.

[wildrover]

It is ridiculous, there just new labour with a different coloured tie.

[derangedyoshi]

(Original post by mrshinyshoes)
Ermm pretty sure it was lib dems who broke the pre election promise..

and lets not forget who took the country into recession, oh and who sold some of our gold reserves for a HUGE loss? Mr Brown!

Labour at the moment are alright, but mr milliband has got to go, he's just poor as a leader, has no authority whatsoever.

(Original post by pshewitt1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQVF9s01NYI

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...al-416926.html

...awkward...

Did I say I was supporting the Labour party or that I thought they were flawless? No.

I know who took the country into the current recession.

Both the Lib Dems and the Tories have broken pre-election promises. One example: "there will be no more top down reorganisations" of the NHS - David Cameron, pre-election.

[Natwaah]

(Original post by wildrover)
It is ridiculous, there just new labour with a different coloured tie.

Well you could say New Labour were just the Tories with a red tie. Influence from Thatch and all that.

[meenu89]

(Original post by derangedyoshi)
Both the Lib Dems and the Tories have broken pre-election promises. One example: "there will be no more top down reorganisations" of the NHS - David Cameron, pre-election.

Governments breaking pre election pledges, really?!

[L i b]

(Original post by markisanark)
And because, by outsourcing labour, workers get put out of jobs, and replaced by middle management who don't do much of anything.

Utilities are an excellent example. British Gas managed to make a pre tax profit of £2.4 billion this year. If they can manage to do it under private ownership, then surely it can be done under government control?

In a monopoly situation, they lack competition.

As for state-ownership, I don't think we have any great problems with the state owning shares if they think it would be a good investment. So long as they are under the same regulatory regime as ordinary shareholders and don't attempt to exercise unusual control over the company concerned. The state already does this to some extent.

[derangedyoshi]

(Original post by meenu89)
Governments breaking pre election pledges, really?!

Well, it's rather cynical to suggest that that must always be the case. And in any case, these weren't trivial - the Lib Dems did the absolute opposite of what they had promised on tuition fees as well as a whole host of other issues, while the Tories, again amongst other things, have introduced NHS reforms which are very unpopular with actual medical experts, after promising those same medical experts that they categorically would not do that.

It may be that Labour would have been just as bad; but that's not the topic of this thread.

[mrshinyshoes]

(Original post by derangedyoshi)
Did I say I was supporting the Labour party or that I thought they were flawless? No.

I know who took the country into the current recession.

Both the Lib Dems and the Tories have broken pre-election promises. One example: "there will be no more top down reorganisations" of the NHS - David Cameron, pre-election.

The reorganisation of the NHS is a good think tbh, a lot of money wasted, and I agree with them sticking firm over doctors pensions and pay too, retireing on 60k a year isn't exactly bad going.

[billydisco]

(Original post by derangedyoshi)
The fact that your reasons for voting Tory are a mixture of false or unsubstantiated allegations against the Labour party, combined with comments on the personality and fashion sense of its leader,

False or unsubstantiated?

How many times did business leaders state young persons lacked basic writing and reading skills during Labour's reign?

How many times did universities complain that undergraduates were being less and less prepared for university via A Levels?

How many people were graduating with degrees who shouldnt have?

Economy: I dont really need to say anything about this- its pretty bloody obvious.

(Original post by derangedyoshi)
bring the country into a double-dip recession through dreadful ideological economic strategy

Perhaps if the labour Government hadn't given all of the country's wealth to persons like all the scummy labour residents of glasgow, the tories could have prevented a double dip recession?

[Sdiff]

OP, if you are suggesting that voting for the largest party in the country is somehow unreasonable, you'll have to give reasons why. I support the conservatives as they match my political views.

[billydisco]

(Original post by derangedyoshi)
I know who took the country into the current recession.

No, you know which Government was in power when the current (second) recession occurred.

You seem to fail to grasp the underlying cause of it- our money being blown on mid-management in the NHS, university places for thick ****s just to make them feel smarter than they are and benefits for eastern europeans and chavs.