[billydisco]

(Original post by Moaning Myrtle)
If we are getting into sweeping statements i would say that my observation is that Labour supporters' main focus is themselves - how right-on are their own motives, how they are perceived by others etc. This is why so many actors and others in the media noisily support Labour. The Tory supporters who I have met seem more likely to be interested in the issues and what works. I know this is contrary to the general stereotype

Tory supporters care about making Britain great.

Labour supporters care about milking as much money as they can from the rich, who apparently didnt work hard and every person earning over £30k is a "toff" who inherited from mummy and daddy....

[derangedyoshi]

(Original post by billydisco)
False or unsubstantiated?

How many times did business leaders state young persons lacked basic writing and reading skills during Labour's reign?

How many times did universities complain that undergraduates were being less and less prepared for university via A Levels?

How many people were graduating with degrees who shouldnt have?

Economy: I dont really need to say anything about this- its pretty bloody obvious.



Perhaps if the labour Government hadn't given all of the country's wealth to persons like all the scummy labour residents of glasgow, the tories could have prevented a double dip recession?

1) I was not arguing for Labour, I was arguing against Conservative.
2) Can you provide evidence showing that Labour is responsible for a decline in A level standards?
3) The economy was growing in May 2010. It's not now. Wonder why.
4) Ah, bigotry. I don't hate the English, you know.

(Original post by billydisco)
No, you know which Government was in power when the current (second) recession occurred.

You seem to fail to grasp the underlying cause of it- our money being blown on mid-management in the NHS, university places for thick ****s just to make them feel smarter than they are and benefits for eastern europeans and chavs.

As I stated, the economy was growing in May 2010 when Labour left office.

[billydisco]

(Original post by derangedyoshi)
1) I was not arguing for Labour, I was arguing against Conservative.
2) Can you provide evidence showing that Labour is responsible for a decline in A level standards?
3) The economy was growing in May 2010. It's not now. Wonder why.
4) Ah, bigotry. I don't hate the English, you know.



As I stated, the economy was growing in May 2010 when Labour left office.

Is that growth with or without the money printing presses taken into account?

EDIT It wasnt an anti-scottish remark, it was an anti-glasgow remark.

[thecrimsonidol]

Because they most represent my opinions politically, basically.

[Hobo389]

As a Tory my political position is more a reflection of my character, I admire those who have the courage of their convictions to do as they view to be right, but also those who admit their mistakes. From this I am put off Labour for not owning up to any mistakes, despite Miliband's admissions that they got it wrong on immigration that seemed incredibly disingenuous if you ask me, that he did not believe his own words. Those who criticise the U-turns of this government are quite frankly clutching at straws IMHO, would you not rather they admitted their mistake and do something else?

Though this may seem very contradictory, to me it depends entirely on the politician, the policy and any contextual factors. So basically I've just written a load of crap that changes on a whim!

[Mishmashmoo]

Because socialism is counter-progressive and people who vote labour do so just to make their wallets a little bigger.

WE WANT FLAT TAX RATES!
WE WANT FREEDOM, NOT PATERNALISM!

The only thing that annoys me about the conservatives is the whole keeping it like it was before attitude (Especially in terms of keeping England a Christian country)

[SpiggyTopes]

(Original post by the bear)
The new leader of the other party combines the fashion sense of Mr Brown with the charisma of Mr Brown.

That made me laugh so much! Thank you!

[SpiggyTopes]

(Original post by derangedyoshi)
The fact that your reasons for voting Tory are a mixture of false or unsubstantiated allegations against the Labour party, combined with comments on the personality and fashion sense of its leader, instead of actually supporting what they've done in the past 2 years (renege on pre-election promises, bring the country into a double-dip recession through dreadful ideological economic strategy, make approximately 43 u-turns per second...) says something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQVF9s01NYI

Relax, the complaints were hilarious, even if they were untrue. He's so much worse than that isn't he!

In answer to the original question, I support the 'Nasty Pasty Party' because they have the balls to actually make decisions rather than dither about and do what the unions pay them to do.

[That Bearded Man]

(Original post by mrshinyshoes)
The reorganisation of the NHS is a good think tbh, a lot of money wasted, and I agree with them sticking firm over doctors pensions and pay too, retireing on 60k a year isn't exactly bad going.

Reorganisation that promotes privatisation ?

[That Bearded Man]

(Original post by billydisco)
Tory supporters care about making Britain great.

Labour supporters care about milking as much money as they can from the rich, who apparently didnt work hard and every person earning over £30k is a "toff" who inherited from mummy and daddy....

Unlike Tories, who cater specifically for the super rich and think all poor should live in workhouses.

[That Bearded Man]

(Original post by SpiggyTopes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQVF9s01NYI

Relax, the complaints were hilarious, even if they were untrue. He's so much worse than that isn't he!

In answer to the original question, I support the 'Nasty Pasty Party' because they have the balls to actually make decisions rather than dither about and do what the unions pay them to do.

And the Tories dither about and do what their rich donors tell THEM what to do?

[ConnorB]

Blair.

[SpiggyTopes]

(Original post by That Bearded Man)
And the Tories dither about and do what their rich donors tell THEM what to do?

That it a downside but their donors don't make me want to be sick.

[That Bearded Man]

(Original post by SpiggyTopes)
That it a downside but their donors don't make me want to be sick.

Do you really find union leaders who fight for the workers rights more sickening than millionaire tory donors who are often avoiding/evading tax?

[derangedyoshi]

(Original post by billydisco)
It wasnt an anti-scottish remark, it was an anti-glasgow remark.

Well that's okay then. Not.

[SpiggyTopes]

(Original post by That Bearded Man)
Do you really find union leaders who fight for the workers rights more sickening than millionaire tory donors who are often avoiding/evading tax?

Nearly everybody avoids TAX, we just do it on different scales. However, not everybody attempts to ruin the Olympics, children's educations and patients well-being to save sky-high pensions which the genuinely poor people in the private sector (i.e. earning 20k or less) help pay for!

[ProofNotTruth]

Because New Labour systematically destroyed this country by overspending to the hilt on a bloated public sector. The fact that zero savings were made in the event of a rainy day combined with the aforementioned means we now face the severity of our economy now. Which means that now a lot of unpopular choices are going to have to be made.

Blair, Mandelson and Brown had an amazing chance to build on something in 1997 but they well and truly screwed it up by being obsessed with winning over media tycoons, whilst building an economy based on nothing but sand and creating a cult of statesman like personality for Mr Blair and his legacy.

And the Millibands, Balls and Harman seem to have amnesia about these policies, and offer no credible alternative.

[Sean9001]

Before I found sense, I supported the Tory Party simply because it got me more attention.

[billydisco]

(Original post by That Bearded Man)
Unlike Tories, who cater specifically for the super rich and think all poor should live in workhouses.

Care to show me some evidence for this? Thought not...

[That Bearded Man]

(Original post by billydisco)
Care to show me some evidence for this? Thought not...

And this after you said all Labour supporters milk the rich indefinitely (nope, just a higher tax rate above a certain amount)

And does every Labour supporter think earning over 30k makes them a toff who inherited from mummy and daddy?

Ermmmm.....pot call the kettle black much?