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TSR Pacifist PartyAfter some soul searching in the mountains I have returned with the answer the TSR Pacifist Party.
Education, healthcare, economics, welfare etc none of these are the Pacifist Party's priority. We feel all people regardless of their position on the political divide can hold strong non interventionist views, as such we will not have any official party policy on other matters. After a few months on MHoC I have noticed a real lack of non interventionist parties thus the TSR Pacifist Party is a necessity. In all the years since MHoC began not a single bill or motion had been submitted on ending the Afghan war until I took that leap and submitted the Afghan Withdrawal Motion.
What is wrong with military intervention?
Well firstly lots of people die. Secondly it doesn't solve problems it only creates more just look at Iraq. There were no WMDs and it seems dodgy intelligence was trusted despite the warnings. War should only be used in self defence and never for conquest or pre-emptive defence.
Why leave Afghanistan when the mission hasn't been complete?
The mission will never be complete, Afghanistan won't suddenly emerge as a gleaming example of a westernised democratic nation. The neo cons that started this war did not do so for democracy or freedom they did so for vengeance. How can we trust these people when they have proven time and time again that they don't care about democracy(Syria 1949, Iran 1953, Iraq 1963 etc).
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Do you prefer British soldiers to be alive rather than dead?
Do you prefer foreign civilians to be alive rather than dead?
Do you prefer less public funds being spent on wars?
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyForeign policy is quite a big part of government i'm sure we will find this more than a handful.(Original post by paperclip)
If you have no other policies, surely you would do better as a pressure group?
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyThen we have succeeded.(Original post by LPK)
Let's assume you were successful in preventing the Armed Forces from participating in military interventions and withdrew them from Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartySo your government would cease to do anything more for the remainder of their term? Or you'd call an election give that you would have fulfilled your manifesto?(Original post by internetguru)
Then we have succeeded. -
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyWe aren't going to win an election so this is an irrelevant point. If we were to win though i'm sure we would have a discussion and come up with some policies.(Original post by LPK)
So your government would cease to do anything more for the remainder of their term? Or you'd call an election give that you would have fulfilled your manifeso? -
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyBut then you would have no mandate, so would need to call an election and change your name at the very least. Similarly, whilst a majority of MPs are against a monarchy we are stuck with one because the referendum supported keeping the monarch. Unsurprising given your reputation, forming policies after standing on a platform of only representing foreign intervention would undermine the democratic nature of the HoC.(Original post by internetguru)
We aren't going to win an election so this is an irrelevant point. If we were to win though i'm sure we would have a discussion and come up with some policies. -
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyHaving looked at the manifestos for all parties at the election a number of bills and motions have been submitted that were not advertised within these. For example gay adoption was not in a single manifesto yet passed in the house. Do they have the mandate to pass it?(Original post by paperclip)
But then you would have no mandate, so would need to call an election and change your name at the very least. Similarly, whilst a majority of MPs are against a monarchy we are stuck with one because the referendum supported keeping the monarch. Unsurprising given your reputation, forming policies after standing on a platform of only representing foreign intervention would undermine the democratic nature of the HoC. -
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyI don't get it.(Original post by zedbrar)
Oh, can I suggest the next party you try and create?
I was thinking you could create the Anarcho-Juche party next. -
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyOther parties stand on a platform of "This is our general position, this is what we intend to do, this is what represents our beliefs" whereas you quite explicitly said "Education, healthcare, economics, welfare etc none of these are the Pacifist Party's priority. We feel all people regardless of their position on the political divide can hold strong non interventionist views, as such we will not have any official party policy on other matters." How can claim to have mandate to make policy on areas that not only you have explicitly rejected, but that your electorate clearly cares little for?(Original post by internetguru)
Having looked at the manifestos for all parties at the election a number of bills and motions have been submitted that were not advertised within these. For example gay adoption was not in a single manifesto yet passed in the house. Do they have the mandate to pass it? -
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyPeople don't vote for the BNP because they like their views on education, the same is true of the Pacifist Party people won't vote for us based on our education views. When someone votes for the Pacifist Party they do so solely because of our Pacifist intentions therefore forming policies on education etc will only be divisive and act to undermine the Party's cause. If we win the election we have the most votes and have the people's mandate that is all there is to it.(Original post by paperclip)
Other parties stand on a platform of "This is our general position, this is what we intend to do, this is what represents our beliefs" whereas you quite explicitly said "Education, healthcare, economics, welfare etc none of these are the Pacifist Party's priority. We feel all people regardless of their position on the political divide can hold strong non interventionist views, as such we will not have any official party policy on other matters." How can claim to have mandate to make policy on areas that not only you have explicitly rejected, but that your electorate clearly cares little for? -
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyWhatever. You've made it clear that you intend to utilise the parties position to implement policies that have no mandate, given the comments by the speaker the last time you tried to form a party, do you really expect the speaker to let your party form?(Original post by internetguru)
People don't vote for the BNP because they like their views on education, the same is true of the Pacifist Party people won't vote for us based on our education views. When someone votes for the Pacifist Party they do so solely because of our Pacifist intentions therefore forming policies on education etc will only be divisive and act to undermine the Party's cause. If we win the election we have the most votes and have the people's mandate that is all there is to it. -
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyIt seems you have forgotten how democracy works.(Original post by paperclip)
Whatever. You've made it clear that you intend to utilise the parties position to implement policies that have no mandate, given the comments by the speaker the last time you tried to form a party, do you really expect the speaker to let your party form? -
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Re: TSR Pacifist PartyIt seems you have forgotten how this game works.(Original post by internetguru)
It seems you have forgotten how democracy works.
