Does the welfare system cause you "huge resentment" ?

He lives on another planet. He whinges about people claiming DLA. He claimed DLA for his son. He claims the forms are easy to fill in. I've spent the last 5 and a half weeks filling in my DLA. It is so demoralising having to write "I need someone to relay for me because no-one understands my speech". (which is slowly getting worse)

And as for a ration book, great. More stigma. Yay maybe people who suggest these ridiculous schemes should try having no choice but to rely on benefits for a while, and they'd see the stigma you get even without any stupid "I'm On Benefits! Card" or a ration book scheme. I'm pretty sure they'd change their mind.

Social stigma is kind of necessary to act as a deterrent and incentive.

I am aware of that, but there are those that are.They are the ones that need to be stopped imo.

Why should the same stigma be applied to all claimants including my family where my dad is disabled and my mom (who is also ill) is is full-time carer? What possible good will adding yet more stigma do for us?

But the problem is, nearly all the ideas to stop the ones who do abuse the system also seem to punish the genuine cases. Which IMO is not acceptable.

But the problem is, nearly all the ideas to stop the ones who do abuse the system also seem to punish the genuine cases. Which IMO is not acceptable.

I agree with you there.There doesnt seem to be a way that the wasters can be weeded out unfortunately.

His son (who is now dead) was severely disabled and was entitled to it.

Surely there is no stigma on disability claims

Surely there is no stigma on disability claims. Hardly the same as purposefully living a benefits life is it? Just have disability allowances cash, job seekers and other benefits as vouchers.

But he didn't need it. Why does someone earning £100k plus a year "need" benefits? It wasn't as if they were living on minimum wage.

Ok, I thought the idea was for all benefit claimants to have to use vouchers. However, there is stigma in claiming disability benefits, whenever people find out we're on benefits they suddenly turn into investigators - "what's wrong", "is it that bad?", "surely you can't do this/that/the other", "oh I know someone with that, it's not that bad" - and it's horrible

So what do you suggest then? We force kid to grow up in ridiculously overcrowded houses?

You obviously have never seen these houses. They have the appropriate numbr of rooms for the amount of children of different sexes and ages within the household as per government guidelines.

And if you cannot get a job in that time because, guess what, there are not enough jobs? (we have just had a massive recession if you haven't noticed).

I've never heard of anyone struggling to get a job for two years. I struggled with unemployment when i left the army, but eventually landed a part time job and went back into education. There are a huge number of IT courses, forklift licening etc. all free to get people into work and it does happen. If you havnt got a job in two years your not trying


And what about those who cannot move back to their parents house for whatever reason?
Or those who have a low paid job elsewhere but need HB to help pay the rent? You really think its a good idea to force people to give up their jobs?.

What you must bare in mind is the number of people who fit the above bracket, and the number who are scamming the system. You will find the second as far larger

those who want to work will take what is offered. why should you be picky. if you want to be picky, fine, but don't claim benefits. Why should me and others like me who work should fund your pickiness....i also think that those who DO want to work, they will find work.
That is why foreigners find work...they are not picky.

But there is a stigma. We are seeing it every day in the media and from the Tories. Dumping everyone on benefits in to the same category. They are doing it with the young right now (essentially saying everyone under 25 on HB is a scrounger). People who get benefits for illness or disability see it everyday too. Its the old tory mantra of divide and rule. Put parts of the country against each other and then no one will realise how bad a state the country actually is in.