[prog2djent]

(Original post by ak137)
Lol, the other day you were complaining of Europe becoming more anti-semitic. Wake up call, this isnt 1939 mate!
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I was.

The attitudes now are quite similar to that of when Orwell wrote his famous essay.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

But anti-semitism (not anti-Israeli' sentiment, which isn't anti-semitism) is a growing phenominon among various Muslim communities in europe, the Muslim youth, the indiginous youth and the internet (thanks to US chritstian end timesists).

[ak137]

(Original post by prog2djent)
I was.

The attitudes now are quite similar to that of when Orwell wrote his famous essay.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

What im trying to say is that you're paranoid at best. No one is going around saying "Kill da dirty j000z!!!" for example.
You're Jewish, right?

But anti-semitism (not anti-Israeli' sentiment, which isn't anti-semitism) is a growing phenominon among various Muslim communities in europe, the Muslim youth, the indiginous youth and the internet (thanks to US chritstian end timesists).

Muslims - maybe, but its not on the scale of back in mid 20th century and to say its "growing"....lol, Muslims, the overwhelming majority like to talk about the things rest of you guys like talking about (latest ipod, fashionable clothes etc) not about Jews and "how evil they are, controlling the world111!!!".

Internet - Its the internet isnt it, what do you expect.

Christians - what I said about Muslims, but christians here.

[jaadau121]

(Original post by prog2djent)
1. I never claimed you did, I was asking why some people can be so easily, and readily converted to their interpretation of the religion/events so easily.

2. Duh. Most of the population of the US and UK completely condemn the Iraq BS and fully understand it was a bunch of BS.

3. You are confusing about 30+ governments with George Bush speaches and his administration.

4. Link me please. That slipped by me.

1. but you implied it

2. well if the British and American people were so against such vile actions how come both Labour and the Republicans were re-elected in 2004 and 2005??? these British and American people, seem to be in favour of such antics by keeping such governments in power.

3.I don't think I have confused anything

4. http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...ewish_campaign

[prog2djent]

(Original post by ak137)
What im trying to say is that you're paranoid at best. No one is going around saying "Kill da dirty j000z!!!" for example.
You're Jewish, right?


Muslims - maybe, but its not on the scale of back in mid 20th century and to say its "growing"....lol, Muslims, the overwhelming majority like to talk about the things rest of you guys like talking about (latest ipod, fashionable clothes etc) not about Jews and "how evil they are, controlling the world111!!!".

Internet - Its the internet isnt it, what do you expect.

Christians - what I said about Muslims, but christians here.

Yes I am slightly paranoid, but this is from personal expirience and what I see from various non-major news sources. When was the last time you heard of a Jewish mob of youths from north leeds descend on Hyde park and attack an 8 year old Muslim, try hang them in the woods, carve a swastika into their back, beat them up, force them to eat their Taqiyah (Kippa) or hurl abuse at them?

I'm not a religious Jew, nor are my parents really, we have the history and immediate family. Like how the Irish, depite some not being a part of it, are always going to be Catholic.

No, the vast majority aren't going around saying or thinking that, but it is the apathy I cannot stand, anti-semitism is never presented properly. Most of the British just think its something Hitler did beacuse he was insanse, they never look at the reasoning and conspiracy behind it.

The influence on Christianity in America has had a dramatic resurgence on conspiracy theories, you will have heard them all, no need to point it out, but when you sift through all the information you eventually get to the bottom which is Jews and Freemasons (who the Church never viewed positively, as they are a threat to their control, and were a vessle of Enlightenment accross europe) are doing deals with the Devil to being about the anti-christ. And sadly, some of the whole story has had an impact on a whole generation of muslims and europeans who grow up with the internet, to cut a long story short,

blah blah Illuminati blah blah Zionists blah blah

[prog2djent]

(Original post by jaadau121)
1. but you implied it

2. well if the British and American people were so against such vile actions how come both Labour and the Republicans were re-elected in 2004 and 2005??? these British and American people, seem to be in favour of such antics by keeping such governments in power.

3.I don't think I have confused anything

4. http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...ewish_campaign

1. I don't think I did, but if you think so then oh well

2. A quick trip to yougov, pew and global polls, as well as mass protests, just watching TV, petitions, the immense hatred of Blair on the Iraq issue felt by 90% of the population, even attempts to try him in cou The reason labour were voted in again is because Michael Howard was creepy and two party politics has dominated the UK, as it has with most countries, for centuries. People don't decide on one issue.

[mack94]

(Original post by killa78)
Such silly people -_-

Killing of innocents is pathetic and never justified

lmaoo your username is killa78, How ironic

[jaadau121]

(Original post by prog2djent)
1. I don't think I did, but if you think so then oh well

2. A quick trip to yougov, pew and global polls, as well as mass protests, just watching TV, petitions, the immense hatred of Blair on the Iraq issue felt by 90% of the population, even attempts to try him in cou The reason labour were voted in again is because Michael Howard was creepy and two party politics has dominated the UK, as it has with most countries, for centuries. People don't decide on one issue.

The only poll you need to look at is the election result which gave labour an overwhelming majority in 2005 and basically gave Blair and Labour a pat on the back.

Yes i agree the are many people who oppose the wars but if the majority really opposed the war in half the manner in which Georgre Galloway did, Labour would not have dared to go to war and dance to the American tunes.

Its the case of silently condoning, yes some protested but it wasn't much.

If people didn't like Howard, fair enough, they could have abstained and torn their vote in disgust, but no, it was labour all the way.

I had a labour MP knock at my door for the 2010 election, one of the cows who actually voted in favour of the war, I told her I will vote for her the day she brings Saddams WMDs to my door, she had no reply.

[Organ]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Great, another apologist, don't deny, I've researched your words.

I don't support the so-called massacre of Chechyans, and I don't support the Islamic response, but I know where intentions are reasons are placed, rationality vs irrationality.

"so called massacres"!!!!????

[jaadau121]

(Original post by Organ)
"so called massacres"!!!!????

can you imagine saying, I don't support the 'so called' 9/11 terrorist attacks, you would be slaughtered for it and called a terrorist sympathiser lol

[draw mohammad]

(Original post by ak137)
Lol, the other day you were complaining of Europe becoming more anti-semitic. Wake up call, this isnt 1939 mate!


The only reason terror plots are rife in post 9/11 britain is because of the occupation of our lands. Get the **** out of their and they'll have no reason to bomb you. Terrorism is and has always been a side effect of empire.

On this particular story, anyone who kills innocents, should be killed him/herself. There is no justification of such things.

"Our lands..." `? I guess you live in England, yet you talk of Muslim countries as "our lands". Shouldn't you get the .... up and leave England ?

[ak137]

(Original post by draw mohammad)
"Our lands..." `? I guess you live in England, yet you talk of Muslim countries as "our lands". Shouldn't you get the .... up and leave England ?

Got a problem with that?

[Chazzer66]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Muslims aren't allowed to fight for stuff like "nationalism" and "patriotism". You're only really allowed to fight against oppression (whether it's against your religion, yourselves, someone else). The Muslims that fought in ww2 were tools and slaves of the British, fighting in a war that had little Shariah legality and just caused further unnecessary blood to be spilled.

1) What are the Taliban fighting for if not patriotism and nationalism against the 'infidel' NATO forces? Don't say NATO is oppressing them, given the $57 billion (and rising) aid budget distributed in Afghanistan and the 8 million now in education.
2) The Muslims that fought in WW2 were not just tools and slaves. You seem extremely uneducated on this subject for someone who talks like an expert:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senussi
The Libyan Senussi fought WITH the British is WW2 against the Nazis and Italians. Over 250,000 Senussi died fighting (not FOR but WITH) British forces in the Western Desert Campaign.
Similarly the Arba Revolt against the Ottomans in WW1:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Revolt

Please tell me WW2 was unnecessary on the part of the Allies from the safety on 21st century Britain. If the Germans had won WW2 I think it's safe to say Hitler would've had no qualms eliminating Islam after Judaism and Communism.

And just a final point, wasn't the conquest of all the land from Morocco to Pakistan by Muslims a bit like nationalism and imperialism? Imho you seem to attribute your own beliefs anachronistically to the religion you follow. Islam is no different from Christianity, Judaism etc. in this respect, however.

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Firstly, a lot of the "stories" you hear about Taliban suicide bombing is bull crap. A lot of it has nothing to do with Taliban, and sometimes the western media mixes Afghan Taliban up with Pak Taliban (who are very much different).

Secondly, due to corruption, a lot of bandits arise, making use of the "Taliban title" and causing problems that are being blamed on the taliban through complete misleading.

Thirdly, Taliban's leader, Muller Omar has said with clarity;

- Don't go near government buildings, as they are the targets.
- civilians are not targets
- If a civilian is killed by a Taliban mujahid unjustifiably, then there will be a Shariah punishment.

You should also realise that the Taliban home support is pretty good, if it was for them being so "ruthless" such support would not exist.

I'm not saying Taliban are perfect, but there's a lot of lies, propaganda against them that is completely unjustified and misrepresented. The point is; No, Taliban do not condone killing civilians.

I know a lot of Taliban attacks are misattributed but the scale and pattern are undeniable. Look, 3 days ago:

http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news...edomain=usnews
"They opened fire on everybody. Everybody just ran. There was a party outside and I saw the father shot dead and his wife wounded," Rahi told Reuters.

And again, the Taliban PROMISING to attack civilians voting in elections!
(http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/0...ations-090510/)

If you still won't believe me, here's this from Al-Jazeera quoting Taliban attacking people voting. Look: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2...642674322.html

Look at this graph (and don't say the Guardian is biased against the Taliban, they're as anti-war and leftwing as you can get in the UK mass media):
http://datamarket.com/data/set/1eh1/...im,in,io,ip,iq
There is quite clearly a massive correlation between anti-govt. forces (mostly Taliban) killings and total killings. ISAF do not kill nearly as many as you are led to believe.

Stop looking at the Taliban through tinted sunglasses. They are terrorist thugs like the IRA, who target civilians that oppose them. They also profit $150 million a year from the drugs trade, like the IRA used to. In that quote Mulla Omar was just trying to create positive PR. Nobody likes accepting they are deliberately targeting civilians and he might say his people do not do such attacks but the evidence points otherwise.

As for support like you say? I'd wager that's out of fear and nationalism that people support them, especially against the white Christian invaders. Please prove that people actually LIKE the Taliban, I see no real reason to, other than in comparison to NATO or Hamid Karzai.


And also don't say the Pak Taliban are distinct. They have helped each other and Stanley McChrystal once quoted that the Afghan War would've ended by now if Pakistan stopped helping the Taliban. The Pashtun guerrillas are one and the same and only divided by an artificial border!

(Original post by ak137)
Got a problem with that?

You represent everything a budding Islamophobe needs to put on a white pointy hood and grab a pitch fork. I sincerely hope your family are relatively new to this country as such outward reluctance to integrate is not good if your family have been here over 2 generations. Identity is great, but you seem extremely belligerent with it. On a side note (and not an ad hominem attack) why are you even here if it is obviously not where you belong and associate with?

[sorafdfs]

They all need to go eat a bacon sandwich, make up and come to terms with the non-existence that follows death.

[Tahooper]

What I don't understand is, why do SOME Muslims interpret their holy book (Koran) in a more aggressive and violent way than followers of other religions? (In a western context, I know that some Christians in Africa are just as bad)

[sugar-n-spice]

(Original post by mack94)
lmaoo your username is killa78, How ironic

kud be killa kella bruv

[Elipsis]

(Original post by ak137)
Lol, the other day you were complaining of Europe becoming more anti-semitic. Wake up call, this isnt 1939 mate!


The only reason terror plots are rife in post 9/11 britain is because of the occupation of our lands. Get the **** out of their and they'll have no reason to bomb you. Terrorism is and has always been a side effect of empire.

On this particular story, anyone who kills innocents, should be killed him/herself. There is no justification of such things.

You and your fellow cult members will always find reasons to attack us in the West. It's nothing to do with occupation of Muslim lands at all. There are plenty of countries we have invaded that are filled with Buddhists and Christians and they don't reach for the vest, do they? It's your so called holy book's fault. The internet really let the cat out of the bag. Now all Muslims have access to interpretations that were previously suppressed, and a certain percentage are always going to be brainwashed enough to think "yeah, i'm gonna go claim my higher place in heaven. Allah Akbah - boom!" Almost all of the civilians who die in so-called Muslim lands die at the hands of your brothers and sisters any way.

[Elipsis]

(Original post by Tahooper)
What I don't understand is, why do SOME Muslims interpret their holy book (Koran) in a more aggressive and violent way than followers of other religions? (In a western context, I know that some Christians in Africa are just as bad)

Most people are peaceful and non-violent. Even people who read Mein Kampf don't all go out and attack Jews. But the verses are there for those with the mindset and will to be violent and push the Islamic empire/cause forward. These verses, even with some serious mental gymnastics, don't really exist in other religions. Hence the reason there aren't tens of thousands of Christian terrorist attacks. There is a whole other layer of Muslim fanatic who isn't strictly violent to others, who is happy to pay their 2.5% to 'charity' to terrorists who will be violent in their quest for Jihad.

[TheHansa]

(Original post by Chazzer66)
1) What are the Taliban fighting for if not patriotism and nationalism against the 'infidel' NATO forces? Don't say NATO is oppressing them, given the $57 billion (and rising) aid budget distributed in Afghanistan and the 8 million now in education.
2) The Muslims that fought in WW2 were not just tools and slaves. You seem extremely uneducated on this subject for someone who talks like an expert:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senussi
The Libyan Senussi fought WITH the British is WW2 against the Nazis and Italians. Over 250,000 Senussi died fighting (not FOR but WITH) British forces in the Western Desert Campaign.
Similarly the Arba Revolt against the Ottomans in WW1:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Revolt

Please tell me WW2 was unnecessary on the part of the Allies from the safety on 21st century Britain. If the Germans had won WW2 I think it's safe to say Hitler would've had no qualms eliminating Islam after Judaism and Communism.

The Muslims who fought in WW2 were being treated as slaves, the British Empire said they could have independence which was rightfully theirs anyway provided they fought in the British Army. You clearly have no real understanding of Hitler his plans or anything, he wanted to eliminate the Jews because he subscribed to the belief that they were a collective and subversive influence on Germany. This has nothing to do with why the allies declared war on Germany, Hitler was the new Napoleon a man who wanted his country to be great so naturally he had to go. It was like a pride of lions, when male lions reach adolescence the older males who have established themselves within the group turn on the young lion of breeding age and drive him out to protect their share of the females, Germany was the younger lion and got driven out. The British Empire was not concerned with the morality of Nazi dogma nor did it fear for its survival.

America operates very much like the British Empire did, installing proxy governments and finding ways to demonise anyone who's a bit of a pain in the bum to make military action seem morally justified. The Nazis obviously were evil but make no mistake the British Empire wasn't good, it was grey hat at best.

[concubine]

(Original post by prog2djent)
My mistake.

But still. My point remains.

I just want to beat to death the next person to say something like 'bleeding heart liberal'.

[jaadau121]

Considering most of the 9/11 terrorist came from Saudi, when will the goody two shoes Britain and USA declare war on Saudi.

Answer they won't because they haven't got the balls.