[nosaer]

(Original post by Hopple)
No, you're okay if you start from an onside position. As long as you're onside some time between the ball being played forward and you getting to it then that should be fine.

Yeah but that's how the system is currently - if you're onside from the time the ball is played thereafter, you're legal. However with your theory, in your second diagram, while the attacker is coming forward to pick up the ball, what's to stop the defender stepping out to ensure the attacker receives the ball in an offside position?

[Hopple]

(Original post by nosaer)
Yeah but that's how the system is currently - if you're onside from the time the ball is played thereafter, you're legal. However with your theory, in your second diagram, while the attacker is coming forward to pick up the ball, what's to stop the defender stepping out to ensure the attacker receives the ball in an offside position?

The line stays where it was when the ball was played forwards.

[nosaer]

(Original post by Hopple)
The line stays where it was when the ball was played forwards.

So does the offside rule come into play from when the ball is released (as it is normal) or from when the attacker picks it up?

And as a previous poster has said, its hard enough for linesmen to get decisions right when they have the benefit of players to judge the line off, nevermind judging an invisible line of where defenders were when the ball got played forward. Hardly better is it, if it's going to increase the number of wrong decisions made.

You also probably make it impossible for defenders to run out after corners because even if they run out, meaning the defenders can run out, the ball is whipped back into the box from a clearance, the strikers stay put goal-haning, and he would be considered onside by the linesman because he is still the right side of the imaginary line the defenders have just created. Ergo, defences will never be able to push up and instead be boxed in. The rules are fine as they are - your suggestions are just full of holes imo.

[Hopple]

(Original post by nosaer)
So does the offside rule come into play from when the ball is released (as it is normal) or from when the attacker picks it up?

As long as the attacker is onside (not goal-side of the yellow line when the ball is played forwards) at some point between the ball being played forwards and him competing for the ball, that would be fine.

And as a previous poster has said, its hard enough for linesmen to get decisions right when they have the benefit of players to judge the line off, nevermind judging an invisible line of where defenders were when the ball got played forward. Hardly better is it, if it's going to increase the number of wrong decisions made.

It shouldn't be too difficult, since they'd be standing in line with the last defender as they do currently.

You also probably make it impossible for defenders to run out after corners because even if they run out, meaning the defenders can run out, the ball is whipped back into the box from a clearance, the strikers stay put goal-haning, and he would be considered onside by the linesman because he is still the right side of the imaginary line the defenders have just created. Ergo, defences will never be able to push up and instead be boxed in. The rules are fine as they are - your suggestions are just full of holes imo.

I'm not sure I follow you. If the defenders push out leaving the attacker behind them, then the ball is kicked in and the attacker stays behind where the defenders where when the ball is kicked in, then he'd be penalised.

[nosaer]

(Original post by Hopple)
As long as the attacker is onside (not goal-side of the yellow line when the ball is played forwards) at some point between the ball being played forwards and him competing for the ball, that would be fine.
It shouldn't be too difficult, since they'd be standing in line with the last defender as they do currently.



I'm not sure I follow you. If the defenders push out leaving the attacker behind them, then the ball is kicked in and the attacker stays behind where the defenders where when the ball is kicked in, then he'd be penalised.

Defenders will try to push out the moment a corner is cleared for example. If a subsequent header puts the ball back into the box as the defenders are running out, and the attacker is 'onside' compared to the defenders last position when the ball was played back in, he would be goal side and thus at an advantage (you said your suggestions offer the attacker no advantage).

E.g. defenders and the attackers are in the box, corner taken and cleared, defenders push up to the 12 yrd spot, ball played back in as they are still running out - the attacker can be at the 12 yrd spot while the defenders are still turning around to chase him back before he scores. Thus, striker has the advantage by playing from an (what is currently considered) offside position, but would be onside according to your theory.

[Hopple]

(Original post by nosaer)
Defenders will try to push out the moment a corner is cleared for example. If a subsequent header puts the ball back into the box as the defenders are running out, and the attacker is 'onside' compared to the defenders last position when the ball was played back in, he would be goal side and thus at an advantage (you said your suggestions offer the attacker no advantage).

E.g. defenders and the attackers are in the box, corner taken and cleared, defenders push up to the 12 yrd spot, ball played back in as they are still running out - the attacker can be at the 12 yrd spot while the defenders are still turning around to chase him back before he scores. Thus, striker has the advantage by playing from an (what is currently considered) offside position, but would be onside according to your theory.

Ah, I see what you're saying. Yes, that's true, bad suggestion (unless someone can think of a way round it).