[Herr]

I must say though I don't like him all that much at this moment in time, (I generally dislike politicians as a whole as most are a bunch of slimeballs)

I must say that speech was rather eye opening and rather informative, quite surprising too in some ways especially with the alarming statistic that 1 in 6 children today are in a workless household.

Whole text of speech available here

One thing for certain, I'm sure this is going to be on the backs of the minds of many people in time to come especially in it were quite a few examples which illustrates scroungers.... surprisingly quite a few of it might as well have been taken from TSR

[noisy06]

I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks that he's trying to divert attention away from his epic failures at job creation. First gay marriage and now this. We are not going to bury our head in the sand, if he doesn't improve the situation, he will be voted out.

[james22]

David Cameron still has time to make up for his mistakes. If he can reform the benifit system to reduce the amount going to undeserving people, without compimising the safety net needed to help unfortunate people then he will be one step closer towards my support.

[Empire08]

(Original post by james22)
David Cameron still has time to make up for his mistakes. If he can reform the benifit system to reduce the amount going to undeserving people, without compimising the safety net needed to help unfortunate people then he will be one step closer towards my support.

How about we go after the richest in society, who are not pulling their weight and paying next to nothing in tax? Rather than the poorest in society?

This whole thing is just a distraction from the tax saga. He didn't want people to start looking deeper into the tax affairs of Tory donors.

[james22]

(Original post by Empire08)
How about we go after the richest in society, who are not pulling their weight and paying next to nothing in tax? Rather than the poorest in society?

This whole thing is just a distraction from the tax saga. He didn't want people to start looking deeper into the tax affairs of Tory donors.

By the rich people who don't pull their weight, do you mean the ones who create jobs and, despite paying a smaller percentage in tax, still probably pay more than most other people. Despite what the media says, most rich people worked hard for what they have, I agree that they should pay more tax, but to say they aren't pulling their weight is just reverse snobbery.

Also the practicalities of making the rich pay more are questionable, lots of high earners, esspecially people in finance, can easily move counrties. Indeed, many bankers do that right now.

[CJKay]

(Original post by Empire08)
How about we go after the richest in society, who are not pulling their weight and paying next to nothing in tax? Rather than the poorest in society?

This whole thing is just a distraction from the tax saga. He didn't want people to start looking deeper into the tax affairs of Tory donors.

When do you classify someone as rich?

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by Empire08)
How about we go after the richest in society, who are not pulling their weight and paying next to nothing in tax? Rather than the poorest in society?

This whole thing is just a distraction from the tax saga. He didn't want people to start looking deeper into the tax affairs of Tory donors.

When will people stop exploiting the middle and upper classes, I wonder.

You just think they're £ symbols, don't you?

[Dr. Bassman]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
When will people stop exploiting the middle and upper classes, I wonder.

You just think they're £ symbols, don't you?

No one said anything about the middle-class who definitely aren't the richest in society. The upper class are hardly exploited though. I find it weird that they would complain about more money being taken from them when they already have the most, get the best education, best healthcare, best standard of living etc.

If anything it's the other way round...

[Empire08]

(Original post by james22)
By the rich people who don't pull their weight, do you mean the ones who create jobs and, despite paying a smaller percentage in tax, still probably pay more than most other people. Despite what the media says, most rich people worked hard for what they have, I agree that they should pay more tax, but to say they aren't pulling their weight is just reverse snobbery.

Also the practicalities of making the rich pay more are questionable, lots of high earners, esspecially people in finance, can easily move counrties. Indeed, many bankers do that right now.

Yes, I do mean those people. Just because you are rich, doesn't mean you should be able to weasel your way out of paying the correct tax because you can afford to hire an expensive accountant who will find loopholes for you.

I'm sure many do work hard, but so do ordinary people who pay the correct taxes (in fact have no choice but to pay as most people are PAYE). Then there are the executives who are rewarded for failure, etc. The gap between rich and poor gets wider every year. Are the rich working extra hard, or are the poor just being shafted?

The fact is though, if you are born into a rich family, chances are you will be successful in the future. Likewise if you are born into a poor family, you will probably stay that way. There is no social mobility in this country, sure there is the odd rags to riches story, but that is the exception.

Easy. Impose a minimum level of tax on domestic and foreign earnings for British citizens and corporations who trade in the UK. The USA already taxes their citizens on foreign income, why can't we do the same?

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by Dr. Bassman)
No one said anything about the middle-class who definitely aren't the richest in society. The upper class are hardly exploited though. I find it weird that they would complain about more money being taken from them when they already have the most, get the best education, best healthcare, best standard of living etc.

If anything it's the other way round...

The problem is, people think they're entitled to the money of other people. People think that they can say to people 'some of your money needs to pay for my expense'.

That is disgusting.

Nobody owes anyone anything. Nobody owes 'society' anything.

[Empire08]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
The problem is, people think they're entitled to the money of other people. People think that they can say to people 'some of your money needs to pay for my expense'.

That is disgusting.

Nobody owes anyone anything. Nobody owes 'society' anything.

If by 'expense' you mean the cost of providing basic human needs like shelter and food, then yes I think they should feel entitled to it.

Wrong. If you want to live in a civilized society then there is a price that needs to paid I'm afraid.

What's disgusting is that people would rather see their fellow man hungry and homeless, than pay a bit more in taxes. "I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else."

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by Empire08)
If by 'expense' you mean the cost of providing basic human needs like shelter and food, then yes I think they should feel entitled to it.

Wrong. If you want to live in a civilized society then there is a price that needs to paid I'm afraid.

What's disgusting is that people would rather see their fellow man hungry and homeless, than pay a bit more in taxes. "I'm alright Jack, screw everyone else."

Why should anyone be compelled to support someone they have no connection whatsoever to?

What right does anyone except myself have to the money I earn?

[Dr. Bassman]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
The problem is, people think they're entitled to the money of other people. People think that they can say to people 'some of your money needs to pay for my expense'.

That is disgusting.

Nobody owes anyone anything. Nobody owes 'society' anything.

I can't tell whose side you're on...

People need to get out of this bizarre mentality that the rich are rich because they work harder than everyone else. That's not true at all, some of the poorest people work several jobs and barely scrape by. The problem isn't that poor people (or actually anyone) feel entitled to money of other people, it's that people assume that rich people are untouchable and can't have their 'hard earned' money taken away from them. Well, that's just nonsense. It's a really weird mentality... people accept this idea that certain people can work less hard than other people and still make enormous sums of money but can't accept it when someone poor does it. It's just bizarre to be honest... frankly, the rich probably feel the most entitled in the world, and people seem to be ok with it or even encourage it.

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by Dr. Bassman)
I can't tell whose side you're on...

People need to get out of this bizarre mentality that the rich are rich because they work harder than everyone else. That's not true at all, some of the poorest people work several jobs and barely scrape by. The problem isn't that poor people (or actually anyone) feel entitled to money of other people, it's that people assume that rich people are untouchable and can't have their 'hard earned' money taken away from them. Well, that's just nonsense. It's a really weird mentality... people accept this idea that certain people can work less hard than other people and still make enormous sums of money but can't accept it when someone poor does it. It's just bizarre to be honest... frankly, the rich probably feel the most entitled in the world, and people seem to be ok with it or even encourage it.

It doesn't matter how 'hard' one works.

That has nothing to do with it.

If you have money that is lawfully yours, whatever the reason, it is yours. I do not believe anyone should believe they are entitled to it.

[Dr. Bassman]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
It doesn't matter how 'hard' one works.

That has nothing to do with it.

If you have money that is lawfully yours, whatever the reason, it is yours. I do not believe anyone should believe they are entitled to it.

So you don't agree with taxes at all then?

[concubine]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
Why should anyone be compelled to support someone they have no connection whatsoever to?

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[Empire08]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
Why should anyone be compelled to support someone they have no connection whatsoever to?

What right does anyone except myself have to the money I earn?

Like I said, if you want to live in a civilised society and enjoy the benefits of doing so, there is a price to be paid. If not, move to Somalia.

So I take it you are against the NHS then? "Why should I have to pay towards caring for the sick and dying that I have no connection to whatsoever? I'm not sick, so who cares? No one is entitled to my money."

Childish, spiteful and frankly pathetic.

[JGR]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
Why should anyone be compelled to support someone they have no connection whatsoever to?

What right does anyone except myself have to the money I earn?

If that is the case I take it that you paid out of pocket for your education, your use of the roads, infrastructure, law enforcement, NHS, etc, etc?

The "every man is an island" doctrine is neither possible nor desirable in a heavily populated, nominally civilised society.

You should be glad that people receive benefits, as otherwise it'd be the likes of you who'd lose out when they resort to crime or bypassing the system entirely.

[YMLT]

(Original post by Aspiringlawstudent)
Why should anyone be compelled to support someone they have no connection whatsoever to?

Its called being caring.

Maybe you should try it...

[Aspiringlawstudent]

(Original post by Empire08)
Like I said, if you want to live in a civilised society and enjoy the benefits of doing so, there is a price to be paid. If not, move to Somalia.

So I take it you are against the NHS then? "Why should I have to pay towards caring for the sick and dying that I have no connection to whatsoever? I'm not sick, so who cares? No one is entitled to my money."

Childish, spiteful and frankly pathetic.

I am against the NHS.