[Stevo112]

Pretty gutted at this one... I had a dreadful 2nd year thanks to a lecturer who really had it in for me. He really did make my uni life a misery and so I just stopped turning into lectures (my attendance was atrocious in 3rd year also so the low attendance is not an excuse for my lack of performance, rather feeling there was no point/depression which wasn't brought up with anyone)

my final grades have come out as;

level 1 = 62
level 2 = 42
level 3 = 64
dissertation = 69


and I was awarded with a 2:2


the degree classification calculation is here;

http://www.hope.ac.uk/media/liverpoo...ia,6328,en.pdf


now i've done a Ba in Education Studies with Mathematics (slide 11 i think) and I worked the calculations out as;

A. (6.2+12.6+38.4) = 57.2
B. 64
C. 69


I just don't see how those sort of marks average out to a 2:2 It is stupid, i'm proud of the fact that i've turned that awful 2nd year around and yet they still screw me over with a 2:2. Absolutely gutted.

Is there any grounds to appeal do you think?

[neon]

If you had a problem with your second year results then you should have contested them last year. I doubt there is anything they can do about them now. And to be honest, university is about individual learning so I find it hard to believe that you can blame your entire second year on one lecturer.

[laura1234]

Each uni does have an appeals process which the uni will tell you about if you ask them. Surely all your marks won't be down to just one lecturer though? If your not sure how the marks average out someone at the uni will be able to go through it with you, then if it is a mistake with how its been calculated it can be sorted.

[laura130490]

From looking at slide 11 it says that if not all marks are in the same classification they will look at your profile and decide. I think they've been a bit harsh giving you a 2.2, but maybe they took your attendance and other things into account? If your attendance in both second and third year was terrible then that might have influenced their decision.

[Stevo112]

(Original post by neon)
If you had a problem with your second year results then you should have contested them last year. I doubt there is anything they can do about them now. And to be honest, university is about individual learning so I find it hard to believe that you can blame your entire second year on one lecturer.

Well this lecturer had recently lost his wife. I was majorly depressed thanks to some personal crap. I just wanted to go to university, make some notes, make the occasional comment and then go home (just like 1st year!). Well this lecturer took out his anguish on me, constantly insulting me during seminars, accusing me of being an arrogant prick, shouting at me for stupid things. One instance he marched me out of the class, shouted at me for not bringing in a newspaper clipping relating to education, then demanded I apologise to the course leader for wasting her time. Bearing in mind I was 22 . I usually keep my cool, and I put up with a lot from him. It was no environment for me to learn. But after he marched me out I saw red and fired off an email to the course leader with a CC: to the lecturer, shedding some light on a few home truths about his behavior. Suffice to say this resulted in my grades deteriorating, my appeal for a re-consideration of my 2nd year classification to be declined, and (thankfully) all of the involved members of staff being laid off or retiring. But I never insulted the guy, and in fact I initially sponsored him for a charity run! It has his problem not mine. I mean ok the email was a BAD idea, but I don't like being bullied by people. Lecturer or not you don't talk to anyone like that . Thankfully the 3rd year lecturers have been absolutely amazing though But yea, I do blame the particular dealings with this lecturer for my decline in 2nd year.

[Stevo112]

Well they have taken the appeal seriously!

Turns out that level 2 was under marked too (I got hold of the transcripts and worked out an average of 52 not 42!). They could potentially re-calculate my degree classification!

[boldaslove]

Hi, I studied at the same uni and am considering appealing my degree result. I also had a terrible 2nd year due to illness and this has had an effect on my overall mark. I was told by my tutors that submitting medical evidence wasn't necessary and wouldn't affect my results - I really wish I hadn't listened now!

I'd be interested to hear how your appeal goes - I've just got in contact with the SU to get advice from them before I decide whether to go ahead. I hope it goes well for you.

[Stevo112]

(Original post by boldaslove)
Hi, I studied at the same uni and am considering appealing my degree result. I also had a terrible 2nd year due to illness and this has had an effect on my overall mark. I was told by my tutors that submitting medical evidence wasn't necessary and wouldn't affect my results - I really wish I hadn't listened now!

I'd be interested to hear how your appeal goes - I've just got in contact with the SU to get advice from them before I decide whether to go ahead. I hope it goes well for you.

Well my appeal will probably be rejected.

It centers on the fact that my nan died during 2nd year, and I didn't declare extenuating circumstances for a missed exam (i was at the hospital and working the night before) because a lecturer informed me that the re-sit would count. Also the fact that my grades in 2nd year averaged out at around 53 (but they awarded me a 42), whilst my other years were over 64. Clearly a discrepancy.

I don't have proof, other than informing a lectuer I was at the hospital, my transcript and the email asking about the nature of the re-sit.

I could get a death cert for my nan but that would strain my relationship with my dad and if I have to i'd prefer to go through the OIA..


I've put forward a good case though so who knows... I'm just so annoyed, I genuinely had mitigating circumstances during 2nd year which I have overcome in 3rd year. My transcript clearly shows this! Despite mitigating circumstances AND a NS (0) mark i've still managed to be only 0.3 away from a 2:1. I told them this on the appeal form but I didn't disclose them because I felt that I could compensate for the poor performance by doing well in 3rd year!


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You should appeal though! And you should do it now....

get your evidence together... If you have a doctor's note or anything to that effect then get your appeal in asap. They have some stupid rule that if you appeal during the ceremonies then you could be waiting until september to hear back. The way I see it is that you have nothing to lose and everything to gain! good luck

[edjunkie]

OP, you can apply for a copy of death certificate without asking your Dad for it from the registrar who registered the death. In cricumstances such as this, it is important to present as much supporting evidence as possible. Are you able to contact the lecturer who said you didn't need to submit extenuating information and get him/her to confirm the advice they gave at the time?

The OIA is unlikely to consider factors not presented to the university and they do not have a reputation for over turning university decisions. So do as much as you can to resolve your case within the university.

[Stevo112]

(Original post by edjunkie)
OP, you can apply for a copy of death certificate without asking your Dad for it from the registrar who registered the death. In cricumstances such as this, it is important to present as much supporting evidence as possible. Are you able to contact the lecturer who said you didn't need to submit extenuating information and get him/her to confirm the advice they gave at the time?

The OIA is unlikely to consider factors not presented to the university and they do not have a reputation for over turning university decisions. So do as much as you can to resolve your case within the university.

yea, i've provided all instances of emails with the source information for cross verification. I found one where I told a lecturer I was missing a lecture because I had to go the hospital.

Ah cheers, i'll look into that I thought it was just my dad who had a copy. Cheers!

[boldaslove]

Thanks for the reply. After getting feedback from my tutors and consulting an academic advisor I decided against appealing for various reasons. I am just learning to be happy with my result, it'll take some time!

Good luck with your appeal, I hope it works out for you

[Stevo112]

(Original post by boldaslove)
Thanks for the reply. After getting feedback from my tutors and consulting an academic advisor I decided against appealing for various reasons. I am just learning to be happy with my result, it'll take some time!

Good luck with your appeal, I hope it works out for you

What reasons did they give? I didn't consult the tutors/academic advisors precisely for your reason; they would have discouraged me. Personally, I thought you had a good case to appeal. If the appeal gets declined then you lose nothing, but you potentially gain a better result.


I just got an email requesting more evidence to be submitted. Not going to graduate at this rate

[kka25]

(Original post by Stevo112)
Well this lecturer had recently lost his wife. I was majorly depressed thanks to some personal crap. I just wanted to go to university, make some notes, make the occasional comment and then go home (just like 1st year!). Well this lecturer took out his anguish on me, constantly insulting me during seminars, accusing me of being an arrogant prick, shouting at me for stupid things. One instance he marched me out of the class, shouted at me for not bringing in a newspaper clipping relating to education, then demanded I apologise to the course leader for wasting her time. Bearing in mind I was 22 . I usually keep my cool, and I put up with a lot from him. It was no environment for me to learn. But after he marched me out I saw red and fired off an email to the course leader with a CC: to the lecturer, shedding some light on a few home truths about his behavior. Suffice to say this resulted in my grades deteriorating, my appeal for a re-consideration of my 2nd year classification to be declined, and (thankfully) all of the involved members of staff being laid off or retiring. But I never insulted the guy, and in fact I initially sponsored him for a charity run! It has his problem not mine. I mean ok the email was a BAD idea, but I don't like being bullied by people. Lecturer or not you don't talk to anyone like that . Thankfully the 3rd year lecturers have been absolutely amazing though But yea, I do blame the particular dealings with this lecturer for my decline in 2nd year.

Although I don't know you, but I'm very proud of you, and honestly, rather impressed that you C.C.-ed the lecturer the email! The staffs must be in utter shock!

You're right; no one should talk to another person like that. In my opinion, that's already abuse and since he's already a lecturer, he should have known better.

(Original post by Stevo112)
Well they have taken the appeal seriously!

Turns out that level 2 was under marked too (I got hold of the transcripts and worked out an average of 52 not 42!). They could potentially re-calculate my degree classification!

YAY!

[Stevo112]

(Original post by kka25)
Although I don't know you, but I'm very proud of you, and honestly, rather impressed that you C.C.-ed the lecturer the email! The staffs must be in utter shock!

You're right; no one should talk to another person like that. In my opinion, that's already abuse and since he's already a lecturer, he should have known better.



YAY!

Not my proudest moment that email, believe me

[Stevo112]

well, my appeal has been upheld here and they have awarded me a 2:1

in utter shock about the decision

[Ham22]

congrats op.