[prog2djent]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Shia law, the person should instead be whipped tbh. .

I don't know whether you are a British born Muslim/2nd generation or an immigrant but surely, shouldn't you be leaving stuff like that, your views on apostasy, gay people, the role of women etc etc, at the door? After all, as with Christianity, isn't the aim to get as many people to convert as possible. You are going to win over the west like this.

[f1mad]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Your not going to believe any proof unless its from a site you like.

You certainly have to 'persevere' when debating with "perseverenze".

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Horatio-)
It's a bit naive that you think the world will progress at the same time (your time) and that everyone will share the same beliefs.

This for me?

[prog2djent]

(Original post by ak137)
The worst of all is the snobbery from those "progressive" parts of the world.

Come on bro, every culture, religion or nationalist thinks it is superior to other, atleast we have cynicism and self-criticism as a national treasure ...

[Suetonius]

(Original post by Democracy)
I'm not sure Ummah fanatics believe in culture actually

Great comment!

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by Democracy)
To be a "mortad" you need to have been a Muslim in the first place.

Also, it's hilarious to hear TSR's answer to Shakeel Ahmad Bhat accusing someone else of bias. Actually hilarious. Roll on

Thanks, you confirm what I said. Not a single disagreement. But it doesn't change your bias towards religion (and lack of knowledge of it, but then again, Shia theology is messed up either way), and thus making your "representation of Iranians" almost void.

(Original post by Democracy)
Jahiliya refers to pre-Islamic Arab culture, but Iranians are not Arabs and never have been, so you fail there.

Here's an idea: You comment on your own culture (if you have one, I'm not sure Ummah fanatics believe in culture actually), and leave Iranian matters to me.

Iranians don't want to leave matters to you though. You don't even represent or understand 90% of them. You don't even live in Iran, yet you believe the majority share your ideals.

I mean, at least what I say is based on knowing and talking to many Shia Iranians (who represent more of Iran than you ever could). What are you basing your idea of a "homosexual and alcoholic Iranian paradise"? Iranians lol? I'm not saying Iranians are religious like Saudi's etc. but, I know for sure they aren't so readily going to turn their backs on their faith.

And "Ummah" actually does include Iranians (well, not those who commit shirk of course).

ps. Jahiliya = "Days of Ignorance", and it's not a term restricted to Pre-Islamic Arabia.

[ak137]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Come on bro, every culture, religion or nationalist thinks it is superior to other, atleast we have cynicism and self-criticism as a national treasure ...

Well yeah to an extent.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by f1mad)


You certainly have to 'persevere' when debating with "perseverenze".

The only people that document this info are LGBT groups, human rights groups, Newspapers, the Afghan govt, and our governments. Non of those are on his "OK" checklist".

I mean, where else am I supposed to find sources that he would approve of? Heresay from palchat?

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
I'm not saying Iranians are religious like Saudi's etc. but, I know for sure they aren't so readily going to turn their backs on their faith.

Funny you should mention that, because not nearly as man gay people (or atleast the documented stats) have been killed in Saud.

Their gay community is also thriving in Riyadh and Jeddah.

Don't worry, I have about 5 or 6 sources at hand, not that you would approve of them of the Saudi Citizens interviewed.

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Your not going to believe any proof unless its from a site you like.

Because you don't actually have the proof. Barely a few homos' (3 or 4) get hanged every year in Iran and that country hangs the most.

Where you got "4000" is what I'm wondering about? Obviously our Iranian friend here isn't going to correct you, since he probably doesn't even know these kinds of things. So I felt like it was my duty to see that you're speaking with some facts here.

(Original post by prog2djent)
I don't know whether you are a British born Muslim/2nd generation or an immigrant but surely, shouldn't you be leaving stuff like that, your views on apostasy, gay people, the role of women etc etc, at the door? After all, as with Christianity, isn't the aim to get as many people to convert as possible. You are going to win over the west like this.

I'm not the one who brings up these topics and makes up random on the spot statistics.

Also, don't quote me out of context.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by ak137)
Well yeah to an extent.

Not really to an extent, everything is mocked, satirized and criticised here, there is no escape for any group of people, any event, any place, any form, activity, entertainment etc

[Aj12]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Because you don't actually have the proof. Barely a few homos' (3 or 4) get hanged every year in Iran and that country hangs the most.

Where you got "4000" is what I'm wondering about? Obviously our Iranian friend here isn't going to correct you, since he probably doesn't even know these kinds of things. So I felt like it was my duty to see that you're speaking with some facts here.



I'm not the one who brings up these topics and makes up random on the spot statistics.

Also, don't quote me out of context.

Most decent people would find even 4 or 5 gay people a year being hung pretty disgusting.

[Perseveranze]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Funny you should mention that, because not nearly as man gay people (or atleast the documented stats) have been killed in Saud.

Their gay community is also thriving in Riyadh and Jeddah.

Don't worry, I have about 5 or 6 sources at hand, not that you would approve of them of the Saudi Citizens interviewed.

Homosexuality. To get caught for it;

- Four witnesses
- Or Self testimony
- Privacy protected.

Go figure. Doesn't mean we approve it, but as long as you don't bring it in public, then it's between you and God. (Homo's would get in trouble in secular societies if they did it in public aswell)

And tbh, less homosexuals die in Muslim countries than they do in the west (from suicide).

Amazing irony.

[math1234]

Is it true? :O in islam this is not the right punishment for alcohol drinking


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[prog2djent]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Because you don't actually have the proof. Barely a few homos' (3 or 4) get hanged every year in Iran and that country hangs the most.

Where you got "4000" is what I'm wondering about? Obviously our Iranian friend here isn't going to correct you, since he probably doesn't even know these kinds of things. So I felt like it was my duty to see that you're speaking with some facts here.



I'm not the one who brings up these topics and makes up random on the spot statistics.

Also, don't quote me out of context.

Its late, I'm suprised you are up, is it ramadan this month? I'll find these stats tomorow.

And I haven't actually quoted you, just referenced (there's no need to do that either, your views are what we can expect for any person that has observed your posts for long enough)

[Democracy]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Thanks, you confirm what I said. Not a single disagreement. But it doesn't change your bias towards religion (and lack of knowledge of it, but then again, Shia theology is messed up either way), and thus making your "representation of Iranians" almost void.

Iranians don't want to leave matters to you though. You don't even represent or understand 90% of them. You don't even live in Iran, yet you believe the majority share your ideals.

I mean, at least what I say is based on knowing and talking to many Shia Iranians (who represent more of Iran than you ever could). What are you basing your idea of a "homosexual and alcoholic Iranian paradise"? Iranians lol? I'm not saying Iranians are religious like Saudi's etc. but, I know for sure they aren't so readily going to turn their backs on their faith.

And "Ummah" actually does include Iranians (well, not those who commit shirk of course).

Erm, why are you attributing a quote to me which I never actually said/wrote?

It's hilarious you consider yourself more knowledgeable on Iranian culture than someone who's actually Iranian.

Either make your point in a sensible way (i.e. not making up quotes), or I'm going to treat you like all the other trolls.

ps. Jahiliya = "Days of Ignorance", and it's not a term restricted to Pre-Islamic Arabia.

Google it FFS It is a term used to refer to pre-Islamic Arabia.

(Original post by prog2djent)
I don't know whether you are a British born Muslim/2nd generation or an immigrant but surely, shouldn't you be leaving stuff like that, your views on apostasy, gay people, the role of women etc etc, at the door? After all, as with Christianity, isn't the aim to get as many people to convert as possible. You are going to win over the west like this.

No, because this is Britain and we turn away and demonise political refugees and hard-working immigrants looking for a better life, whilst letting religious fanatics into the country with open arms.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Aj12)
Most decent people would find even 4 or 5 gay people a year being hung pretty disgusting.

They are usually killed in pairs or groups of 4 to 5.

I would try my best to just run for my life.

I'd rather be shot running away than having my eyes pop out of my face, and potentially suffocate.

[Horatio-]

(Original post by prog2djent)
This for me?

Not specifically but I'm sure you feel it may apply to you.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
Homosexuality. To get caught for it;

- Four witnesses
- Or Self testimony
- Privacy protected.

Go figure. Doesn't mean we approve it, but as long as you don't bring it in public, then it's between you and God. (Homo's would get in trouble in secular societies if they did it in public aswell)

And tbh, less homosexuals die in Muslim countries than they do in the west (from suicide).

Amazing irony.

Do you really think Iranian gays are going to be bringing it into public? Really?

Sex is illegal regardless of orientation in public in secular societies anyway.

If it was two gay people it would be frowned upon more beacuse thats just the way we grow up beacuse some parents are still bigots. But there wouldn't be any corporal punishment, I don't even think there have been instances of physical reprisal, even throughout the mass propoganda against gays in the 20th century. (does medical testing count as punishment?)

[prog2djent]

(Original post by math1234)
Is it true? :O in islam this is not the right punishment for alcohol drinking


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Nearly 100 lashes is still barbaric.