[MTR_10]

Removing industry would reduce consumption, create jobs, stop wars, save the planet and make us all healthier.

Industry is bad for society. It creates wealth, inequality and stress. It benefits only the select few. Why not create a society based around local markets for food, arts and crafts. We could all become participants. making, selling and sharing.

A could sew the seeds while B picks the vegetables, whilst C cooks them and D prepares them for each of them.

Edit: For all the people who are suggesting this, I am not suggesting that we need communism. Arts and crafts should be the foundation to a society and economy. People making things with pride, care and love. Even the most unskilled labourer of the pre-industrial revolution would put our current workforce to shame. There is something very wrong with the economy of the West right now and the loss of artisans and craftspeople is at the centre of this.

For everyone who suggests industry creates more jobs - then go on to a building site and observe how many people are actually doing anything? No pride or love in any buildings or work. Just pure plain selfish greed. No pride in society or life for that matter either.

[Flyteryder]

Communism collapsed; are you not aware of that?

You're viewing this website on a computer made by industry. Hypocrite.

[James82]

To improve our standard of living. /thread

[Bey Taco]

humans make life very complicated for themselves. We could be simply hunting, eating and sleeping without all the mess in between but we choose not to. It is in our nature to feel superior to others and so we drive ourselves to many lengths to succeed. Feeling better than the other person is what brought us to this day.

[M^2012]

Ideally, what the OP suggested would seem the logical way of doing things, as it would be sustainable. However, I think that humans are too busy trying to "improve" our lives. Technology and industry have improved our lives, on the whole, but in the long term surely it can't be sustainable?

Unfortunately, I can't see the human race having the willpower to do anything about it until we reach some sort of tipping point.

[MTR_10]

(Original post by Flyteryder;38336088[B)
[/B]]Communism collapsed; are you not aware of that?

You're viewing this website on a computer made by industry. Hypocrite.

I was thinking more 'arts and crafts' than communism to be honest.

[Martyn*]

Communism would be worse than Capitalism and will lead to much more tyranny.

Socialism is the only one calculated to increase the happiness of everyone.

[James82]

(Original post by Martyn*)
Communism would be worse than Capitalism and will lead to much more tyranny.

Socialism is the only one calculated to increase the happiness of everyone.

Let me guess, calculated by socialists.

[b_white]

I lost it at

I was thinking more 'arts and crafts' than communism to be honest

LOL!!!

[miser]

We don't necessarily need it, but we would lose the significant advantages that industry provides. Removing it would affect the quality of healthcare and many other important areas, as well as next-to-halting commercial technical innovation. It also seems to be the best solution for what to do with people's desire for self-benefit; communist regimes become corrupt because people are people and will always seek to profit. Commercialism provides the best place we've so far found for people's urge to profit by creating a system where, under regulation, profit is generated by rendering goods and services to those who need or want them, thereby helping to increase both parties' quality of life.

[Sternumator]

(Original post by MTR_10)
Removing industry would reduce consumption, create jobs, stop wars, save the planet and make us all healthier.

Industry is bad for society. It creates wealth, inequality and stress. It benefits only the select few. Why not create a society based around local markets for food, arts and crafts. We could all become participants. making, selling and sharing.

A could sew the seeds while B picks the vegetables, whilst C cooks them and D prepares them for each of them.

Why do you want to lower consumption? It wouldnt create jobs or stop wars. It sounds like a nice idea and that is what it is was like before the industrial revoluntion, people working the land all peacefully in the country side. However, people worked long hard days just to get fed and their stress levels were probably higher, sewing seeds and picking vegatables is much harder than you realise. Industry is the reason we are better off than countries where people are starving to death regularly.

The existance of industry doesn't mean you have to do it, be a farm labourer if you want but it is not an easy life and never has been.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Martyn*)

Socialism is the only one calculated to increase the happiness of everyone.

I thought socialists cringed at central planning?

[ufo2012]

(Original post by Sternumator)
The existance of industry doesn't mean you have to do it, be a farm labourer if you want but it is not an easy life and never has been.

It kind of does, the very existence of industry means that average farmer cannot survive without pandering even to the smallest extent to industry.

Why? Well let's say you have cows you need to get milk from to meet the bills. To achieve enough milk you will need one of those new-fangled electronic milking machines or you will fall behind the next farmer who can milk more and milk faster than you can and so if you don't give in, you will eventually go under.

And so on and on it goes while industry exists...

[prog2djent]

(Original post by MTR_10)
Removing industry would reduce consumption, create jobs, stop wars, save the planet and make us all healthier.

Industry is bad for society. It creates wealth, inequality and stress. It benefits only the select few. Why not create a society based around local markets for food, arts and crafts. We could all become participants. making, selling and sharing.
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Removing industry would create jobs?

Most humans hate each other, or hate other groups, this wouldn't work, not to mention the fact the sort of quasi-utopian primitivism/ecology that would emergy from it IS BLOODY MENTAL.

[wildrover]

When England was like the nobels basically just used the peasants as slaves.

[Sternumator]

(Original post by ufo2012)
It kind of does, the very existence of industry means that average farmer cannot survive without pandering even to the smallest extent to industry.

Why? Well let's say you have cows you need to get milk from to meet the bills. To achieve enough milk you will need one of those new-fangled electronic milking machines or you will fall behind the next farmer who can milk more and milk faster than you can and so if you don't give in, you will eventually go under.

And so on and on it goes while industry exists...

I was talking more about the workers. You could be a fruit picker or something that doesn't use much equipment but it is just a low paid, hard job.

If you are lucky enough to own some land then you could still do it without machinary if you wanted to but obviously that would be stupid which is my point. You wouldn't have the bills if you didnt use the machines. The fact is you can still produce as much milk without technology as you would with nobody using technology. You might think that you would get a higher price for the milk if nobody used technology because other farmers wouldn't drive down the price but if nobody used technology the price of everything you buy would go up so you would still be equally worse off. Before the industrial revolution you would have had to paid loads for your clothes because someone would have been spending all day making those so a gallon of milk wouldnt have brought you any more clothes then than it does today, if anything I would bet the price a farmer gets for a gallon today can by more clothes than it did then. The same goes for everything else they brought before the industrial revolution. Other industries have benefited even more from technology so if you stop working with technology as long as you continued to buy things that had been produced using technology you wouldnt be worse off than if nobody used it.

[subspace5000]

(Original post by MTR_10)
Removing industry would reduce consumption, create jobs, stop wars, save the planet and make us all healthier.

Industry is bad for society. It creates wealth, inequality and stress. It benefits only the select few. Why not create a society based around local markets for food, arts and crafts. We could all become participants. making, selling and sharing.

A could sew the seeds while B picks the vegetables, whilst C cooks them and D prepares them for each of them.

I don't think you have thought your genius idea all the way through.

[MTR_10]

(Original post by Martyn*)
Communism would be worse than Capitalism and will lead to much more tyranny.

Socialism is the only one calculated to increase the happiness of everyone.

(Original post by Flyteryder)
Communism collapsed; are you not aware of that?

You're viewing this website on a computer made by industry. Hypocrite.

(Original post by b_white)
I lost it at



LOL!!!

I was not suggesting we need communism. Read the edited version of the opening post.

[MTR_10]

(Original post by prog2djent;38338178[B)
]Removing industry would create jobs?[/B]

Most humans hate each other, or hate other groups, this wouldn't work, not to mention the fact the sort of quasi-utopian primitivism/ecology that would emergy from it IS BLOODY MENTAL.

Actually if everything was created individually we would need a lot of people with a lot of different skills. Many of which are currently replaced with energy draining and brutal soul destroying machinery.

Imagine if every piece of beautiful clothing was made lovingly by the hands of many different people for another?

Imagine if every building was individually crafted for the needs of the user and the love of craft?

Imagine if every place in the world was different and there was so much to discover?

Imagine if everyone was different and not pressured into compliance and mediocracy through aggressive capitalism and unrestrained media?

Imagine if life was purely about perfecting an art and putting your heart and soul into your work?

[MTR_10]

(Original post by Sternumator)
Why do you want to lower consumption? It wouldnt create jobs or stop wars. It sounds like a nice idea and that is what it is was like before the industrial revoluntion, people working the land all peacefully in the country side. However, people worked long hard days just to get fed and their stress levels were probably higher, sewing seeds and picking vegatables is much harder than you realise. Industry is the reason we are better off than countries where people are starving to death regularly.
The existance of industry doesn't mean you have to do it, be a farm labourer if you want but it is not an easy life and never has been.

Different type of stress though. Maybe physical stress (body pains from hard labour rather than depression and anxiety). Not meaning to sound harsh but a little hard physical work may be just what our society needs (judging by all the ill health and obesity epidemic). The point I am trying to make here is that this industry driven culture has turned us all into lazy ignorant consumers who dont participate or contribute our efforts towards anything productive or meaningful.

The way you suggest becoming a 'farm labourer' is exactly what I am getting at. Why should somebody or a group of people have to 'labour' for the benefit of another group? Why divide people in such a way? Why not have self sufficient communities where everyone contributes through their various work? Then it becomes work of love and pride rather than merely 'labour which suggests slave-like mentalities.