[besarlalluvia]

Stop associating certain beliefs with atheism. It's just not believing in a deity, not 'omg science fapfapfap'

[Nihilum]

(Original post by Genocidal)
And what created God? There had to be a beginning.

This is beyond human understanding. The creator works in ways in which human mortals cannot understand.

[james22]

(Original post by Nihilum)
This is beyond human understanding. The creator works in ways in which human mortals cannot understand.

But couldn't you equally say that the universe works in ways that are beyond our (current) understanding, therefore this argument for teh existance of God is flawed?

[hopingtobeadentist]

(Original post by Nihilum)
This is beyond human understanding. The creator works in ways in which human mortals cannot understand.

I agree and I think people know that. Atheists just can't accept the truth.
Of course there HAS to be something that caused the big bang, I doubt some particles came out of nowhere and created the explosion. Don't piss me off.

[Chumbaniya]

I'm going to go with either obvious troll is obvious, or oblivious troll is oblivious. Definitely one of the two.

(Original post by hopingtobeadentist)
I doubt some particles came out of nowhere

Quantum physics wants to have a word with you.

[YahRah]

Come on guys it was OBVIOUSLY god and his glorious angels of heaven and earth who created the big bang. He did it because he was angry that one of the other universes legalized gay marriage.

Oh no wait...that was a WBC seminar.

[coraciiformes]

You seem to have no problem accepting that things can be eternal otherwise you would surely ask where God came from... If god can be eternal why not the universe? Fair enough you could flip that argument but the universe is 100% for certain there whearas God has been asleep since the dawn of humanity at best.

[Converse Rocker]

(Original post by Nihilum)
This is beyond human understanding. The creator works in ways in which human mortals cannot understand.

Same thing can easily be said for the origins of the Universe.

(Original post by hopingtobeadentist)
Atheists just can't accept the truth.

What truth is that exactly? You say we can't understand God's origins/existence, why does this not apply to our knowledge of the universe?

Of course there HAS to be something that caused the big bang, I doubt some particles came out of nowhere and created the explosion.

(Original post by Chumbaniya)
Quantum physics wants to have a word with you.

I know nothing about physics, but I presume it probably can account for stuff creating itself.

[Drunk Punx]

(Original post by When you see it...)
Deliberately snobby vocab?

Profesh in disguise tbh

[garfeeled]

this is just god of the gaps, which is ultimately very damaging for religion as it pushes believers into corners which lead to such things as the limitations of science

god of the gaps is just a massively poor scientific theory which can be used to say i don't understand this so my imaginary ballet friend from when i was 5 did this

[Chumbaniya]

(Original post by Converse Rocker)
I know nothing about physics, but I presume it probably can account for stuff creating itself.

It accounts for some circumstances where particles are generated spontaneously in a vacuum (I'm thinking specifically about particle/antiparticle pairs that result in Hawking radiation from black holes, but there are probably other examples) but actually we don't currently have an understanding of the moment of the big bang and a minute fraction of the second following it. I just wanted to point out that the OP should probably have an understanding of science if she wants to discuss science.

In all honesty, there's no adequate way for physics to explain how physics created the laws of physics, but then nothing can adequately account for its own existence so it's a bit of a pointless avenue to go down when you end up with people arguing over which thing that they believe is fundamentally self-justifying is best. The important thing is that we can observe the universe and we have very strong evidence that it expanded very rapidly from a single point, so God seems a bit superfluous in this case.

[Ayshizzle]

(Original post by hopingtobeadentist)
So you don't believe in God, but you believe in the Big Bang. But WHO caused it?

No, believing in the Big Bang theory is not a prerequisite to be an atheist.

I don't know what caused it, do you?

[Llamageddon]

(Original post by hopingtobeadentist)
So you don't believe in God, but you believe in the Big Bang. But WHO caused it?

Well that's just begging the question isn't it? Why does there need to be a WHO to cause it? Indeed, what physical properties and laws govern a non-existent universe anyway?

[Flying Cookie]

Cause is a human mind's concept. There is no proof that such notion applies in the universe. I believe there is a very good chance that such thing as cause doesn't exist as a fundamental principle on which the universe is based.

For example, we always speak of "nothing", yet our grasp of what this truly means is very poor. Can you give me an example of nothing?

[Llamageddon]

(Original post by coraciiformes)
You seem to have no problem accepting that things can be eternal otherwise you would surely ask where God came from... If god can be eternal why not the universe? Fair enough you could flip that argument but the universe is 100% for certain there whearas God has been asleep since the dawn of humanity at best.

If time is indeed a product of the universe then it stands to reason that it did not exist before the universe and indeed that there is no before the universe for it to exist within. Given that there is no before, surely this would mean that the universe IS eternal?

[Hanvyj]

I dunno

And I'm happy to say that.

[Slumpy]

(Original post by hopingtobeadentist)
I agree and I think people know that. Atheists just can't accept the truth.
Of course there HAS to be something that caused the big bang, I doubt some particles came out of nowhere and created the explosion. Don't piss me off.

lol

[Purple Giraffe]

Who created God?

[leletta]

(Original post by Nihilum)
This is beyond human understanding. The creator works in ways in which human mortals cannot understand.

I know right?! Humans just don't understand the big bang theory.

[Above.The.Empyrean]

(Original post by Flying Cookie)
Cause is a human mind's concept. There is no proof that such notion applies in the universe. I believe there is a very good chance that such thing as cause doesn't exist as a fundamental principle on which the universe is based.

For example, we always speak of "nothing", yet our grasp of what this truly means is very poor. Can you give me an example of nothing?

Nothing is the absence of nothing.