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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...The Islamic world would have developed very differently and would be very different if it wasn't for him.(Original post by prog2djent)
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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...Oman, the UAE and turkey are part of this world. By the looks of it, Oman is comparable to southern european countries.(Original post by . . .)
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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...Someone else that needs to read my post and not just the title, I couldn't fit Oman onto the end.(Original post by Risserd)
Because elements in islam block progress. islam was founded in the desert and thats why it cant create anything but deserts and desert culture -
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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...The Sultan?
seems like a relatively intelligent guy which when combined with complete control over a country can have some positive effects. I'm sure if you removed him and put the Saudi monarchs in charge the country would go downhill pretty quickly. -
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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...Can't wait for those fake monarchs to go, they have done so much wrong(Original post by Darth Stewie)
The Sultan?
seems like a relatively intelligent guy which when combined with complete control over a country can have some positive effects. I'm sure if you removed him and put the Saudi monarchs in charge the country would go downhill pretty quickly.
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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...Obscurity has probably done it for them, they have no reason to become really involved in major global affairs and thus it is hard to generate the power hungry leaders that have caused the problems elsewhere around the region.
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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...I think he meant the Saudi monarchs.(Original post by prog2djent)
Yeah, all those things they've done wrong have shaped Oman into one of the best nations in the gulf/arab area ... damn them!
And Brunei is another Islamic country that has developed like Oman.Last edited by No Man; 29-06-2012 at 18:51. -
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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...That's, erm, a bit simplistic.. no? It's not a dichotomy between Shia Iran and Lebanon and Sunni everyone else, you realise that?(Original post by prog2djent)
Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed in places such as Oman, a country hardly anyone knows about, I've been researching the country for the little while now, and what separates Oman from saudi arabia, N.African countries, Iraq, Jordan, Yemen etc etc is firstly the branch of Islam called Ibadism whereas the rest are Sunni, Iran/lebanon being Shia exceptions and the far east, Turkey and some central African nations have Sufi elements. They were among the first to open up trade areas with india and the west, they have a neutral foreign policy, are on good relations with Iran and Israel, and they are a tourist hotspot (neighbours go to every year and say it is one)?
In any case, ~25% of Oman does not practise Ibadi Islam. -
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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...I wish I could see the world through your eyes(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
Because of mainstream Islam, innit? That's what you want to hear right? Not rational reasons like I dunno, level of power, history with other nations etc etc. All dem nasty salafNAZi fault.
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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...Perhaps something to do with having little colonial history?
Many of the places mentioned above descended into tribal warfare after the colonial powers deserted them post-WWII. Oman, on the other hand, had a minimal Portuguese colonial command (controlling the ports mainly but not the country as a whole) but has existed as an independent state, according to the Omani royal family, since 1744.
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Re: Why hasn't the rest of the Islamic World developed like ...This has been refuted countless times and is in no way a popular held view.(Original post by . . .)
The Islamic world would have developed very differently and would be very different if it wasn't for him.
"[T]hose who hold Al-Ghazali responsible for the age of decline will have to explain the production of tens of scientists, almost in every discipline, who continued to produce scientific texts that were in many ways superior to the texts that were produced before the time of Al-Ghazali. In the case of astronomy, one cannot even compare the sophistication of the post-Ghazali texts with the pre-Ghazali ones, for the former were in fact far superior both in theoretical mathematical sophistication, as was demonstrated by Khafri, as well as in blending observational astronomy with theoretical astronomy, as was exhibited by Ibn al-Shatir." - G. Saliba (2007). Islamic Science and the Making of the European Renaissance, Cambridge: The MIT Press.
I know Ghazali is regarded by some (in the secular sense) as one of the "greatest and influential" thinkers in history and all, but the "decline of science", is too much credit for a person.
Islamic Golden age's main decline came from the Mongol invasion, which destroyed Libraries/Educational places and burned all the books. And too a lesser degree, same with the Crusaders. Some Orientalist believe that the later adopted Taqleed (imitation) also played a part.
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There is little agreement on the precise causes of the decline, but in addition to invasion by the Mongols and crusaders and the destruction of libraries and madrasahs, it has also been suggested that political mismanagement and the stifling of ijtihad (independent reasoning) in the 12th century in favor of institutionalised taqleed (imitation) thinking played a part. Ahmad Y Hassan has rejected the thesis that lack of creative thinking was a cause, arguing that science was always kept separate from religious argument; he instead analyses the decline in terms of economic and political factors, drawing on the work of the 14th Century writer Ibn Khaldun.[9]
Ps. Anyone as a general interest wants to learn about Al Ghazali, then watch;
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