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Will there be more summer riots...

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    (Original post by IRSP044)
    Best posts I have seen on this forum in a long time. I agree with them completely.
    ah thanks, i appreciate the support. its nice to know i'm not the only one out here with these views. its a rare occasion trust me lol.
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    (Original post by Mick.w)
    *mindless ranting*
    Fine, how about this. Tell me what you would do. If you rioted tomorrow in london and the government was overthrown, and someone put you in charge to make the people happy, what specific changes would you make to the UK? And please don't say generic things like "give back to the poor" or "shut down the faceless evil companies and put them in prison", I want to know SPECIFIC decisions that you would make to better the entire country. What would have to happen for the riots to not have to happen again.

    Humour me, if you would.
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    Not when there are 18,000 soldiers in London, no. They wont be as soft as the police, they'll be out cracking skulls.
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    I'd be surprised.
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    (Original post by Pitt1988)
    Not when there are 18,000 soldiers in London, no. They wont be as soft as the police, they'll be out cracking skulls.
    Nah I reckon they'll be equally likely to not do a thing after the government drafted them in to sort out the **** up of a private security company after they've just returned from Afghanistan and been ****ed out of their family holidays.
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    (Original post by hamijack)
    Nah I reckon they'll be equally likely to not do a thing after the government drafted them in to sort out the **** up of a private security company after they've just returned from Afghanistan and been ****ed out of their family holidays.
    Exactly, thousands of pissed off squddies. They'll be able to take it out on someone then.
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    (Original post by Pitt1988)
    Exactly, thousands of pissed off squddies. They'll be able to take it out on someone then.
    Or go "**** the government, it' the police's job to sort this **** out, let them do it."
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    (Original post by hamijack)
    Or go "**** the government, it' the police's job to sort this **** out, let them do it."
    Yeah, there is that angle!

    Really doubt it will happen anyway, would be pretty embarrassing for us if it did. Games would probably get cancelled.
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    (Original post by KasanDude)
    Fine, how about this. Tell me what you would do. If you rioted tomorrow in london and the government was overthrown, and someone put you in charge to make the people happy, what specific changes would you make to the UK? And please don't say generic things like "give back to the poor" or "shut down the faceless evil companies and put them in prison", I want to know SPECIFIC decisions that you would make to better the entire country. What would have to happen for the riots to not have to happen again.

    Humour me, if you would.
    i would seize the assets of the banks and the employers over a certain income.
    i would nationalise the banks
    i would nationalise tesco
    i wud set about more communistic stability so that we don't have to depend on other nations for anything or as little as possible.
    i would bring in direct democracy giving each citizen the right to represent them selves in a parliament.
    constituencies would be shrunk and fragmented further for more tailored politics for their individual communities. unions would be given much more legal power.
    all health and education would be made free.
    are armed forces would be restricted to peace keeping missions only and be modelled on the swiss army.
    education and health would be the main priorities.
    every citizen would be given reliable safe accommodation.
    restrictions on monopolising would be put into place.
    a national body of investigators would be in place to police corruption in workforces and such. anyone out of a job would be trained in something and then provided work from the state.
    drugs and prostitution would be legalised under license. unlicensed drug dealers and prostitution places would be illegal and heavily pursued.
    children would (to a point) have voting privileges.
    national service would be introduced.
    people would also have protection under common sense
    and by this i mean that would be to protect people from doing things that are just common sense.
    for example a friend of mine was in singapore and it was raining and he ran back to his hotel. he tripped and fell tearing a lot of skin off of his arm and cutting up his hands. it was a really nasty fall his hand and arm was basically one giant scab when i saw him. but yea he asked for a medikit from the staff there and they wouldnt help him out of fear of being sued. so he had to go back to his room poor alcohol on it and wrap it up in a towels to stop the bleeding.
    it would to stop stupid scenarios like that happening.

    so basically if they did help him "which would be common sense" if he wanted to be an ******* and sue them it wouldn't be possible.

    all of these are off the top of my head i havent actually had the time to write down a manifesto. but yea thats a lil taster. should give u an idea of where im going with it.
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    (Original post by Mick.w)
    i would seize the assets of the banks and the employers over a certain income.
    i would nationalise the banks
    i would nationalise tesco
    i wud set about more communistic stability so that we don't have to depend on other nations for anything or as little as possible.
    i would bring in direct democracy giving each citizen the right to represent them selves in a parliament.
    constituencies would be shrunk and fragmented further for more tailored politics for their individual communities. unions would be given much more legal power.
    all health and education would be made free.
    are armed forces would be restricted to peace keeping missions only and be modelled on the swiss army.
    education and health would be the main priorities.
    every citizen would be given reliable safe accommodation.
    restrictions on monopolising would be put into place.
    a national body of investigators would be in place to police corruption in workforces and such. anyone out of a job would be trained in something and then provided work from the state.
    drugs and prostitution would be legalised under license. unlicensed drug dealers and prostitution places would be illegal and heavily pursued.
    children would (to a point) have voting privileges.
    national service would be introduced.
    people would also have protection under common sense
    and by this i mean that would be to protect people from doing things that are just common sense.
    for example a friend of mine was in singapore and it was raining and he ran back to his hotel. he tripped and fell tearing a lot of skin off of his arm and cutting up his hands. it was a really nasty fall his hand and arm was basically one giant scab when i saw him. but yea he asked for a medikit from the staff there and they wouldnt help him out of fear of being sued. so he had to go back to his room poor alcohol on it and wrap it up in a towels to stop the bleeding.
    it would to stop stupid scenarios like that happening.

    so basically if they did help him "which would be common sense" if he wanted to be an ******* and sue them it wouldn't be possible.

    all of these are off the top of my head i havent actually had the time to write down a manifesto. but yea thats a lil taster. should give u an idea of where im going with it.
    I get the sense that you're leaning towards a communist/socialist type of government, am I right?

    Now, for the sake of a rational argument, how would you justify this proposed government when most governments of this type are either bankrupt, going bankrupt, or more oppressive than their free-market alternatives?

    The most recent example of this is Greece, where a largely socialist political mentality with large government expenditure went bankrupt, taking a big chunk of EU financing with them.

    Your counter-argument?
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    (Original post by KasanDude)
    I get the sense that you're leaning towards a communist/socialist type of government, am I right?

    Now, for the sake of a rational argument, how would you justify this proposed government when most governments of this type are either bankrupt, going bankrupt, or more oppressive than their free-market alternatives?

    The most recent example of this is Greece, where a largely socialist political mentality with large government expenditure went bankrupt, taking a big chunk of EU financing with them.

    Your counter-argument?
    actually i have friends in greece and their quite happy. they just get angry when the government starts to intervene and take money off the people to bail out a recession they didnt start. and they are refusing to owe europe anything.

    china going bankrupt? lol

    more oppressive well theres a difference here. the socialist/communist states are oppressive in a sense that they wont let rich people take advantage of everyone else.

    in capitalist countries the government is just oppressive to the poor.

    also theres a lot of mis-information on socialist/communist states from western media its been programmed into us with every video game and action movie we play were the largest economic rivals of the west are always portrayed as evil.
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    (Original post by Mick.w)
    actually i have friends in greece and their quite happy. they just get angry when the government starts to intervene and take money off the people to bail out a recession they didnt start. and they are refusing to owe europe anything.

    china going bankrupt? lol

    more oppressive well theres a difference here. the socialist/communist states are oppressive in a sense that they wont let rich people take advantage of everyone else.

    in capitalist countries the government is just oppressive to the poor.

    also theres a lot of mis-information on socialist/communist states from western media its been programmed into us with every video game and action movie we play were the largest economic rivals of the west are always portrayed as evil.
    1) Well, Greece owes the EU its life. It is only because its government borrowed constantly from other EU countries and then lied about its finances that they're in their current state. Without EU bailout money, you'd see a collapse of education, health care, utilities and other services in the country. You'd essentially see Greece go back to the dark ages. If that makes your friends in Greece happy, power to them.

    2) And I didn't say China's going bankrupt. Although I don't count it as "communist/socialist," seeing as financially it has a traditional free-market economy like most other countries. It is only "communist/socialist" in the sense that it infringes on basic human rights.

    3) You've clearly never been in a communist country. I come from one. There are no rich people to oppress in communist countries. Instead the government takes complete control of its people's lives and tries to brainwash them with the ideas you've been promoting the past few weeks. People died standing up for what they believe in. People were shot trying to move away. People's kids weren't allowed to go to school when their parents said that they didn't totally love communism. There's nothing just or fair about communism. It takes potential and wastes it. 50 years of progress gone because of communists. That's just what happened in my country, not others. The people here were only too happy to overthrow this regime. Please give me one example of a fully socialist state where the people are happy.

    4) Capitalist society isn't oppressive to the poor. The few very successful people essentially help everyone else through taxes and the products they make. If you had communism, these people would be in jail for trying to better their lives, and we wouldn't have automobiles, air-travel, medicine, tv, computers, central heating, electricity and pretty much all the things we consider "good" in our lives.

    5) It isn't misinformation, I know the facts I know first-hand. In communism, everyone lives in the gutter. In capitalism, some of the people live in the gutter but climb out using the ladders that the rest of the people made to get out. I wouldn't label communism as a rival to capitalist countries. The few countries that implemented communism back in the day had the same wealth inequality and social disparity as capitalism, yet even lower social mobility.

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