[mucgoo]

Everything apart from the trans part. But then again I've never met a transvestite, or at least not realised I have so who knows?

Also the layout of the options kind of leads you too believe that just the first option suffices for your entire stance hence the large disparity in answers.

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by fallen_acorns)
right now, in many parts of the country, yes they would both be considered equaly wierd...

but that is by people who are largely un-aware of trans* issues...

if you are aware of the reasons why people are trans... and the agony, pain and often death, it can cause...

and then you still consider them 'wierd' and wouldnt hang aroudn with one because they are 'out of the norm'

then that says quite a bit about your priorties... and how you are more desperate to fit in with the norm, rather than be tolerant to a group of people who often have a very hard time in life...

I'm a tolerant, I didn't say I was. I'm not emotionally uncomfortable with trans people because I'm desperate to fit in the norm, I'm emotionally uncomfortable with trans people because they're out of the norm. There reasons for being out of the norm, as sad as it may be, are irrelevant to my emotionally comfortableness around them which I don't have control over. It's not like those bleach their faces, do it for the lulz, they do it because they have some psychological issues and some sort of racial dysphoria.

[Scienceisgood]

(Original post by mucgoo)
Everything apart from the trans part. But then again I've never met a transvestite, or at least not realised I have so who knows?

Also the layout of the options kind of leads you too believe that just the first option suffices for your entire stance hence the large disparity in answers.

Transsexual =/= Transvestite.

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by mucgoo)
Everything apart from the trans part. But then again I've never met a transvestite, or at least not realised I have so who knows?

Also the layout of the options kind of leads you too believe that just the first option suffices for your entire stance hence the large disparity in answers.

Transvestite = Identifying as the sex you were born in but wearing clothes considering typical of the opposite sex.

Transsexual = Identifying differently to your birth sex.

[Howard]

As long as he wouldn't try to bum me off.

LOL! Seriously, I really couldn't GAF what sexuality my friends are.

[Risserd]

no, would be nervous all the time about him wanting to **** me in the ass. / sarcasm

[mucgoo]

Fair enough. Sorry for my misuse of terminology.

[fallen_acorns]

(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
I'm a tolerant, I didn't say I was. I'm not emotionally uncomfortable with trans people because I'm desperate to fit in the norm, I'm emotionally uncomfortable with trans people because they're out of the norm. There reasons for being out of the norm, as sad as it may be, are irrelevant to my emotionally comfortableness around them which I don't have control over. It's not like those bleach their faces, do it for the lulz, they do it because they have some psychological issues and some sort of racial dysphoria.

dw, im not blaming you.. its not peoples individual fault that they find trans* people wierd/not normal etc... after all theyve lived 20 or so years in a society which will tell them this every day/use transwoman as a source of comedy, etc...

however all i hope is that slowly more and more people realise that just because something isnt in the norm... that isnt a reason to be uncomfortable around them, and as that happens, ofcourse the norm will change

(+ the deabte about racial dysphoria/transethnicity etc.. is quite a large one, and not really for this thread... but neadless to say, i dont believe its the same as transgenderism, but thats for another time)

[ROYP]

I can't imagine I'd feel comfortable around a close friend/relative that was gay. And no, not because I'm scared they might bum me in the night. Just my initial reaction is no I wouldn't feel comfortable.

[fallen_acorns]

(Original post by ROYP)
I can't imagine I'd feel comfortable around a close friend/relative that was gay. And no, not because I'm scared they might bum me in the night. Just my initial reaction is no I wouldn't feel comfortable.

but this friend wouldnt change? they would still be the person you knew before - so why be uncomfortable?

[2ndClass]

If they aren't flamboyant and overly effeminate, then no I wouldn't mind. Otherwise it'd be embarrassing to be around them tbh.

[silent ninja]

I would look at them differently. You wanted the truth.

[ROYP]

(Original post by fallen_acorns)
but this friend wouldnt change? they would still be the person you knew before - so why be uncomfortable?

I can't really rationalise it, I'd just feel like they were a different person.

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by fallen_acorns)
dw, im not blaming you.. its not peoples individual fault that they find trans* people wierd/not normal etc... after all theyve lived 20 or so years in a society which will tell them this every day/use transwoman as a source of comedy, etc...

That's not the reason because I find people people with many genetic disorders weird. It's nothing to do with society. It's just the very act of changing a part which typically isn't changed e.g. color of skin, height etc. Weird/not-normal aren't prejotive terms they merely describe when someone isn't typical. We're all atypical in one way or another. If I go to a part of England that's 99.9% white then I'd be not normal/weird (if they haven't been exposed to other black people).

It's more to do with the fact that humans aren't typically comfortable with abnormality, regardless of whether that abnormality is based on gender, race, height etc.

[fallen_acorns]

(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
That's not the reason because I find people people with many genetic disorders weird. It's nothing to do with society. It's just the very act of changing a part which typically isn't changed e.g. color of skin, height etc. Weird/not-normal aren't prejotive terms they merely describe when someone isn't typical. We're all atypical in one way or another. If I go to a part of England that's 99.9% white then I'd be not normal/weird (if they haven't been exposed to other black people).

It's more to do with the fact that humans aren't typically comfortable with abnormality, regardless of whether that abnormality is based on gender, race, height etc.

There is a diference, however, between acknowledging and understanding that something isnt normal/is abnormal, (as all trans people will acknowledge (unless severly deluded) that they are not the norm).. and then how you treat them, knowing this. yes trans* isnt typical, however that is no reason not to treat them as you woudl treat a typical person...

[Kiss]

I'd feel comfortable with friends and perhaps a child of mine being gay; I have 2 pretty close friends, one is bisexual and the other gay. But as for having a mother or father suddenly announce they were gay I'd be a bit uncomfortable

[Annoying-Mouse]

(Original post by fallen_acorns)
There is a diference, however, between acknowledging and understanding that something isnt normal/is abnormal, (as all trans people will acknowledge (unless severly deluded) that they are not the norm).. and then how you treat them, knowing this. yes trans* isnt typical, however that is no reason not to treat them as you woudl treat a typical person...

No doubt. You should treat people the same i.e. with respect. However, people should recognize that some people aren't emotionally comfortable with some people and there's nothing wrong with this as long as the person is treated with respect.

[fallen_acorns]

(Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
No doubt. You should treat people the same i.e. with respect. However, people should recognize that some people aren't emotionally comfortable with some people and there's nothing wrong with this as long as the person is treated with respect.

yes, and this is basically how it stands with LGB people these days, quite a number of people arent comfortable with the idea, but still treat them with respect... hopefully one day it will be the same with the T

[Annie72]

Yes I would feel comfortable

[RalphsDisciple]

I have a lesbian relative, I have a good lesbian friend and a couple of gay friends, I think both of my siblings are straight, but it wouldn't bother me if they weren't. Homosexuality is pretty prominent in modern day society, most people I know are perfectly comfortable around people of any sexuality.