[markuk99]

(Original post by Ocassus)
Name me another phone that is objectively better than an iPhone as a smartphone in a sufficient number of Consumer-orientated fields at the time of each iterations respective release?

Hold on how about you prove or qualify your statement "Each and every time a new iPhone is released, it is by far the best in its class" with some proof

Particularly considering when the iphone 4S was released, most reviews still favoured the 6 month old GS2, or at worst put them roughly on par. This alone disproves what you said.

But, to answer your unrelated question. The Galaxy Nexus, (older the the iphone4s), is better for web browsing (flash, full HD screen, larger screen, faster browsing, text reflow), better for watching videos (large organic LED screen with better contrast and full HD, also true 16:9 screen, and drag and drop of files), better for facebook (faster app, deep facebook integreation, and live dynamic facebook widgets), better for sat nav (free voice guided google sat nav with streetview), better for music (wireles itunes sync for those that way inclined but also easy drag and drop, and free music apps for free music album art and lyrics, with louder speaker), better for quicker acccess to all the things i need from a smartphone (due to live dynamic widgets on homescreens making all the info i need instantly availabe rather than having to load apps which then poll data), better for customisation (like it or not many of us normal users prefer to customise are phones to tailor our needs).

Also, the nexus is faster in every day use than the iphone4S, and for me personally and which is a subective matter, is much more fluid, polished and consistent compared to my old iphone 4 UI (which is the same as the 4S pretty much). Not to mention things i wanted such as NFC contactless payments, changeable batterys, and more free apps availabe in the app store.

[Glenbot3000]

ahahaha dis funny. stupid apple fanbois feel relly stupid now. ahaha.

[Ocassus]

(Original post by markuk99)
Hold on how about you prove or qualify your statement "Each and every time a new iPhone is released, it is by far the best in its class" with some proof

IN order for me to do so I need for you to provide me with a competitor that counters that statement. If you cannot, then my statement is proven to be true. That is essentially the proof.

Particularly considering when the iphone 4S was released, most reviews still favoured the 6 month old GS2 Really? Can you provide an aggregate score for that?, or at worst put them roughly on par The iPhone is placed ahead of the Galaxy in most major reviews I can see at the time of release (Atleast that is what a quick google reveals.). This alone disproves what you said.

But, to answer your unrelated question. The Galaxy Nexus, (older the the iphone4s), is better for web browsing (flash Flash doesn't make it better. Flash is essentially an obsolete and outmoded format, your battery must not like you very much either., full HD screen The iPhone far surpasses the Nexus in terms of pixel density, so in that sense it is greater than high definition., larger screen I'd say this isn't really a good point, otherwise I'd bring the iPad in and say 'Larger screen' herp derp. Tablets employ larger screens., faster browsing Safari is faster than Chrome, look it up., text reflow Oh noes, Apple doesn't cosy up to adobe.), better for watching videos (large organic LED screen with better contrast and full HD The IPS Retina is of far higher quality than that of the Nexus or indeed any other phone currently on the market. Even the most critical of reviews of the 4S agree on that., also true 16:9 screen The pixel density of the iPhone combined with the fact that they don't want to alienate a massive portion of their app base means that they are not going to change screen ratios., and drag and drop of files Its a phone, not a full on computer. This is an invalid critique.), better for facebook (faster app Proof?, deep facebook integreation iOS 6. (Twitter integration also), and live dynamic facebook widgets Ok 'widgets', personally when I quit an App I only want a brief notification of it, I don't want a complex and busy mess that so often comes with widgets), better for sat nav (free voice guided google sat nav with streetview iOS 6 streetview, but again, iOS 5 and below has google maps.), better for music (wireles itunes sync for those that way inclined but also easy drag and drop You can drag and drop music in iTunes? , and free music apps for free music album art and lyrics, with louder speaker iPhone music speaker is ****, I'll give you that. But I'll put it down to the design of the thing.), better for quicker acccess to all the things i need from a smartphone (due to live dynamic widgets on homescreens making all the info i need instantly availabe rather than having to load apps which then poll data), better for customisation (like it or not many of us normal users prefer to customise are phones to tailor our needs Well clearly not enough of you to damage the massive slice of the market one hardware manufacturer possesses. As I said before, it seems this sort of thing is tailored to people who like to micromanage stuff. Apples stuff just 'works' right out of the box, there is no need to micromanage.).

Also, the nexus is faster in every day use than the iphone4S Want to show us some actual measurements?, and for me personally and which is a subective matter, is much more fluid, polished and consistent compared to my old iphone 4 UI (which is the same as the 4S pretty much). Not to mention things i wanted such as NFC contactless payments Useless, changeable batterys I'll get onto this.., and more free apps availabe in the app store.Of poor or unverified quality not to mention able to compromise the security of the phone.

Things the iPhone has that your nexus doesn't.

-> Though it is subjective, you'd be hard pressed to disagree that design wise, it is simply better. It is made of higher quality parts (I believe the nexus has a plastic case). The design is self sealed, and therefore the battery cannot be removed.

-> The battery lasts longer on the 4S, especially with multiple apps open. Flash destroys the battery of ANY mobile device.

-> The 4S still has the best screen in the world of smartphones.

-> The app store is a far far higher quality distributor of apps. It has the best app ecosystem with the best apps. Simples.

-> iCloud and iTunes integration.

-> The iPhone doesn't just jump onto a new technological bandwagon as fast as possible. 4G, NFC etc, these things aren't just implemented as 'features' willy nilly. You'll find that everytime Apple releases something (with exceptions such as mobile me and Ping) they put a great deal of thought into it and try to make it BETTER than their competitors. They don't just add it in a rush to try and make the device as comparable as possible.

[Glenbot3000]

(Original post by Ocassus)
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don't care what you say, the One X ****s all over the iPhone. And the S3.

[jumpingjesusholycow]

On a slightly unrelated note, I was hoping the nexus 7 would have a larger screen. 7 inches is just too small, was hoping for something at least 10 inches and in a 16x9 aspect ratio like surface. I don't particularly care for 'retina displays', but having a tablet that's just 2.7 inches larger than my Samsung Galaxy S2 is just a little pointless to me and doesn't warrant me carrying around a whole other expensive mobile device everywhere I go. I'm glad it's set at £160 though. That's an absolutely beautiful price point for a quad-core tablet.

[Ocassus]

(Original post by Glenbot3000)
don't care what you say, the One X ****s all over the iPhone. And the S3.

Compelling argument...

[jumpingjesusholycow]

(Original post by Ocassus)
The battery lasts longer on the 4S, especially with multiple apps open. Flash destroys the battery of ANY mobile device.

Er, does it?

I've never looked at my phone and thought 'DAMNIT! Dang flash eating up all my battery!'. I almost always manage to get through a full day's use with my S2 and the 2000mAH battery.

[Ocassus]

(Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
Er, does it?

I've never looked at my phone and thought 'DAMNIT! Dang flash eating up all my battery!'. I almost always manage to get through a full day's use with my S2 and the 2000mAH battery.

Try keeping a flash website open for 5-10 minutes, see how fast it goes down.

[jumpingjesusholycow]

(Original post by Ocassus)
Try keeping a flash website open for 5-10 minutes, see how fast it goes down.

I regularly use 4oD and other flash websites for half our bouts or so. It doesn't seem to go down any more than it would do with extensive browsing anyway

I'm not trying to 'pick sides' or anything here. I just can't say I've noticed much of a dip in battery life using flash websites than I otherwise would have on any other websites, and I do my fair share of battery checking lol. Though either way, I'd rather have the option of being able to load a flash website and have a battery decrease than not have any option whatsoever. It seems like a bit of a silly point to make.

[f1mad]

(Original post by lukas1051)
Looks good, anything is better than this Vlingo crap I have on my Galaxy S2

Me: "Set alarm for 7 o'clock"
Phone: "Send text message to 'Dad': 'this this cow in I am of go Thailand steak sauce'. Is this correct?"

FFFFUUUUUUU

lolwtfbbq.

[drummer]

(Original post by Gofre)
I haven't owned an iOS device in six months and have put in a preorder for the Nexus 7. I neg'd because this sort of rude fanboyism annoys me just as much as the gushing fanboyism found in zealous Apple fans. It really wasn't that significant a victory for Google, both assistants yielded virtually identical information and functionality but with a relatively minor time difference. Just seemed unnecessarily smug and rude really

I totally agree with you mate. The smart phone market is all about preference, it's not about competition where when one new phone is released gives a reason for people to upgrade to that phone immediately.

[Ocassus]

(Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
I regularly use 4oD and other flash websites for half our bouts or so. It doesn't seem to go down any more than it would do with extensive browsing anyway

I'm not trying to 'pick sides' or anything here. I just can't say I've noticed much of a dip in battery life using flash websites than I otherwise would have on any other websites, and I do my fair share of battery checking lol. Though either way, I'd rather have the option of being able to load a flash website and have a battery decrease than not have any option whatsoever. It seems like a bit of a silly point to make.

4OD isn't flash to my knowledge...

[f1mad]

I'm not a big fan of Apple, but, Google won't be taking a meaningful chunk of Apple's marketshare anytime soon.

Why?

Because Apple are the king innovators in this aspect, Google as usual, continue to lag behind and join the party far too late.

[jumpingjesusholycow]

(Original post by Ocassus)
4OD isn't flash to my knowledge...

It definitely is.

Just to make sure, I tried loading it with Chrome on my phone, sure enough - it tells me to 'download the latest flash player'. You're welcome to contest the idea that flash doesn't 'destroy the battery', but either way, it seems like a bit of a silly argument.

It's like arguing that phones without GPS or Bluetooth are superior because they'll use up more battery when in use

[Stringer987]

(Original post by Glenbot3000)
don't care what you say, the One X ****s all over the iPhone. And the S3.

Deluded much? S3 ****s all over the One x

[estel]

(Original post by f1mad)
I'm not a big fan of Apple, but, Google won't be taking a meaningful chunk of Apple's marketshare anytime soon.

Why?

Because Apple are the king innovators in this aspect, Google as usual, continue to lag behind and join the party far too late.

I'm not sure I agree that Apple are King Innovators as much as King Executors.

And execution was already king.

[Glenbot3000]

(Original post by Ocassus)
Compelling argument...

The One X has a 4.7 inch, 1280x720 resolution (316ppi), IPS screen that, thanks to Gorilla Glass, feels like it's right under your thumbs. The Tegra 3 processor smashes the 4S on both CPU and GPU and has an optimised market full of stunning games. There's 25GB of cloud storage upon registering to Dropbox, and thanks to the versatility of Android, media can be shared on many robust internet services. The camera is flawless, and a mod (made possible by the open-source nature of Android) enables me to reduce compression producing stunning results. Talking of development, I can flash a multitude of ROMs to my device so it's tailored to my individual needs keeping the device constantly fresh and running optimally. I can control my device to send messages, install apps, and even take photographs from my browser keeping my device both safe and functional even when it's not immediately to hand. Android itself is very fluid and gives me freedom to create customised homescreens to both display information and perform functions. The Beats Audio create an immaculate sound with both hardware and software: the loudspeaker is clean, and the variable EQ keeps tracks sounding their best.

There's also NFC, true multitasking, replacement browsers that aren't ****, replacement launchers and keyboards, more diverse app market, exquisite UI and most importantly, Google Now. The S3 also has a lot of these features, plus useful software inclusions like the eye-tracking, but for me is inferior due to Pentile matrix screen and slightly worse camera. Essentially, iOS is a quivering wreck in the wake of Android's intergalactic lasercannon of awesomeness.

[jumpingjesusholycow]

(Original post by estel)
I'm not sure I agree that Apple are King Innovators as much as King Executors.

And execution was already king.

Hmm...

I'm not an Apple apologist, but do you remember what smartphones looked like before the iPhone?

5 years later, all smartphones essentially follow the same initial template as the original iPhone. Large full screen touch display, front fracing camera, proximity sensor and home key.

Apple comes out with a 10 inch tablet and several months later, the market is flooded with Android alternatives, none of which offer the touch responsiveness of Apple's device, and likewise aren't tablet oriented in any way whatsoever.

Things got a little stale after a while, so Apple decides to re-invent voice recognition. Google could have done this, but were complacent with what they had. 10 months later, Google comes out with its own voice recognition software, despite the fact that barely any of the existing Android handsets have even managed to update to Ice Cream Sandwich.

It's a rather boring constant tale of catch up between Google and Apple. I think there's definitely a huge marketplace for Google, given that Apple devices are so obscenely priced, but innovators? Google certainly aren't.

[DudeRugs]

(Original post by f1mad)
I'm not a big fan of Apple, but, Google won't be taking a meaningful chunk of Apple's marketshare anytime soon.

Why?

Because Apple are the king innovators in this aspect, Google as usual, continue to lag behind and join the party far too late.

http://www.bgr.com/2012/05/24/androi...lackberry-idc/

"Google’s Android operating system and Apple’s iOS platform showed big market share gains in the first quarter of 2012 as Symbian and BlackBerry shipments plummeted. Market research firm IDC on Thursday published its global smartphone market share report for the first quarter of this year, and Google’s Android was far and away the biggest winner in terms of year-on-year shipment gains.

According to IDC’s study, Android shipments during the quarter totalled 89.9 million units, up a staggering 145% from 36.7 million in the first quarter of 2011. iPhone shipments were up 88.7% over the first quarter last year to 35.1 million units, giving Apple 23% of the smartphone market in the first quarter compared to Google’s 59% share."

Why do so many people think apple are so great? They used to be, but they are the ones lagging behind google right now. Lets see what happens when they release iphone 5.

[estel]

(Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
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Yes, I do think that Apple do innovate sometimes. I also don't think that Android is an area that demonstrates Google's innovation (but Glass is).

But the majority of that stuff: a touch-screen smartphone, 10" tablet, voice-activated PA thing - these were all technologies that were first dreamt up and developed, in some form, outside of Apple. Apple's genius was in knowing which technologies could be successful several years before the market for them existed, and designing and executing brilliantly on those ideas.

Perhaps it depends on what we choose to define as innovation. Most technological progress comes from the slow refinements made to existing successful or unsuccessful products until successful ideas are seen as the "correct" approach and are copied and being universal. There's nothing wrong with this. But where do we draw the line for innovation? If you're setting it at accumulating a set of ideas and changing the marketplace around your product, then I can definitely see where you'd be coming from. But does that mean we can't really call the failures innovative (or at least, more is expected of a failure for it to be innovative)?

I guess what I'm saying is that Apple's success stems from their execution rather than innovation.