B463 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012 (Second Reading)
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I don't really like the part about drugs, seems to be too easy to abuse. I don't trust teachers don't be biased. When talking about the effects of the drugs via linked studies, will teachers explain the criticism of those studies? I mean look at this analysis of TalktoFrank's page on Cannabis http://www.ukcia.org/activism/cannab...ed_frank.php#7. There were clear examples of dishonesty and lacking in neutrality. If a teacher mentions for example the effects on blood pressure and heart rate, will it be in contrast to the effects on blood pressure and heart rate done by exercising? Will they explain the reversibility of some of the long-term effects?
In terms of drug trade, will they explain how prohibition has fueled this? Explain how not all drugs have to go through the drug trade? In terms of environmental effects, will they explain in relations to other commonly things done effects on environment? Ability to reduce effects by consuming cannabis differently possibly? -
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Re: B463 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012 (Second Reading)A great idea. We need to change the way we introduce young people or children to drugs - rather than limited discussion that only consider the legal effects of drug use we need to educate people about the physical and social effects. Aye from me.
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Given the likely effect of the Legalisation of Narcotics, Duty Reform and VAT Reduction Act 2011 on the method of production and distribution of drugs, educating children on 'the environmental impact of production and the effects that the drug-trade can have on a country's citizens' is about as relevant as educating them on the environmental impact of breweries.
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Several reasons I disagree with this. One part of it, picked up on my chrisawhitmore, is that it seems due to the passage of the Legalisation of Narcotics Act 2011 there is no more point in educating children about drugs than there is in educating them about other bad things in life - why single out drugs as particularly bad?
My principal concern, however, is that I'm concerned that due to the passage of Acts such as this one the National Curriculum is being diluted by lots of very specialised subjects which appear to be seeking to compensate for a lack of 'common sense' or a good upbringing. I agreed with the Politics Education Act 2011 because it was incorporating politics into Citizenship and PSHE. It also only sought to teach the subject until KS4. I'm appalled that this Act suggests that HSSE must be taught until KS4! More time should be dedicated to real subjects and not diverted to subjects like this one. I think it may be wise for those topics you suggest to be included within the existing PSHE teaching, however, to force schools to dedicate resources, time and attention to this specific study is wrong and that's why I cannot support this bill. -
Re: B463 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012 (Second Reading)Because, as the notes show, drugs have a rather large impact on society - both in deaths and health problems, but also in costs to the NHS and other services that have to deal with issues that arise. Proper education on the drugs should help to counter-act this and lessen the problems they cause. Also, I think it was mentioned in the first reading, if drugs are legalised then teaching children about them is even more crucial.(Original post by chiggy321)
Several reasons I disagree with this. One part of it, picked up on my chrisawhitmore, is that it seems due to the passage of the Legalisation of Narcotics Act 2011 there is no more point in educating children about drugs than there is in educating them about other bad things in life - why single out drugs as particularly bad?
While it may compensate for a poor upbringing, I'd argue that's fairly important. We cannot ensure that parents impart suitable knowledge onto their children, ensure they are aware of the world around them, however we can teach them ourselves through the education system.My principal concern, however, is that I'm concerned that due to the passage of Acts such as this one the National Curriculum is being diluted by lots of very specialised subjects which appear to be seeking to compensate for a lack of 'common sense' or a good upbringing. I agreed with the Politics Education Act 2011 because it was incorporating politics into Citizenship and PSHE. It also only sought to teach the subject until KS4. I'm appalled that this Act suggests that HSSE must be taught until KS4! More time should be dedicated to real subjects and not diverted to subjects like this one. I think it may be wise for those topics you suggest to be included within the existing PSHE teaching, however, to force schools to dedicate resources, time and attention to this specific study is wrong and that's why I cannot support this bill.
Can I ask why the Politics Education Act was fine because it only taught the subject up to KS4, but this one is appauling because it teaches up to KS4?
The whole point of the bill is that they will be taught as such - it's an overhaul of the PHSE system, which as the OFSTED report indicates, is likely well overdue. -
Re: B463 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012 (Second Reading)Yes, but the intention of the Narcotics Act 2011 was to alleviate those effects, and as your party supported the bill I assume you believe that is likely to happen. Where do you draw the line? Obesity is a problem - but we don't have a mandatory subject to teach about that. I'm assuming that alcohol is covered by the provisions of this Act? If not then the same argument applies there too.(Original post by Alofleicester)
Because, as the notes show, drugs have a rather large impact on society - both in deaths and health problems, but also in costs to the NHS and other services that have to deal with issues that arise. Proper education on the drugs should help to counter-act this and lessen the problems they cause. Also, I think it was mentioned in the first reading, if drugs are legalised then teaching children about them is even more crucial.
But why should everyone be subject to this lesson because it may benefit a few? That's is my problem with this one-size-fits-all subject. I'm not going to be smoking weed any time soon. I didn't need a lesson to tell me that it was just common sense, and it's the same for many others. Society is currently rather condemning of drugs - this culture alone is enough to dissuade most people, and for the sake of the minority who don't feel dissuaded it's an ove-reaction to require hours and hours of teaching.(Original post by Alofleicester)
While it may compensate for a poor upbringing, I'd argue that's fairly important. We cannot ensure that parents impart suitable knowledge onto their children, ensure they are aware of the world around them, however we can teach them ourselves through the education system.
Can I ask why the Politics Education Act was fine because it only taught the subject up to KS4, but this one is appauling because it teaches up to KS4?
The whole point of the bill is that they will be taught as such - it's an overhaul of the PHSE system, which as the OFSTED report indicates, is likely well overdue.
The KS4 comment was a typo, apologies. I meant to say that the Politics Education Act only requires it to be taught in KS3, this requires to be to taught in KS4. Students reach a stage, at my opinion in KS4, where they should be able to take more responsibility for their subject choices- to require everyone to study this at KS4 perhaps at the expense of a worthwhile subject which will give them useful skills and potentially a GCSE is just wrong. I agree that an overhaul in PSHE is needed - but given the provisions of this Act is appears that there is no room for any other topics to be included other than mental health and drugs. What about political education? What are the implications of this Act upon the Politics Education Act? What about other topics contained in PSHE such as financial capability and the like? I don't disagree that drugs education should be changed, perhaps so as to focus on the lesser-known consequences of drugs use - however, not in the form suggested here. -
Re: B463 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012 (Second Reading)You really think you're "fine"?(Original post by tehFrance)
I look at myself and think I didn't have this stuff and I am fine (overall bar a couple of vices
) so Abstain.
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Re: B463 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012 (Second Reading)(Original post by JPKC)
Aye aye Miss American Pie.
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Re: B463 - Health, Social and Sexual Education Bill 2012 (Second Reading)*le sigh*(Original post by tehFrance)
Er what did I just write? learn to read.
It was a joke.
) so Abstain.