Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?No I do not attended Durham university.(Original post by FO12DY)
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?so is my statement about swansea wrong then?(Original post by FinalMH)
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Im confused to as to why this thread is still going on tbh(Original post by Mierder)
I currently have an offer from statistics with finance and am planning to come to LSE this summer. I now wanna switch to Maths and Economics degree. Is this possible? Will it depend on the amount of places available for Maths and Econ? How big/low are my chances?
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I'm currently an international student interested in applying to both sides of the atlantic for university. I was wondering apart from Oxbridge, which British universities can compete with the Ivy League schools in terms of:
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-Job prospects (in general)
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I guess because people like to fight each other :|(Original post by funkydee)
Im confused to as to why this thread is still going on tbh
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Has it ever occured to anyone that when talk re best about most things, especially universities, it just centres on the US and UK?
Take any other country, for example France, Germany, Finland, Singapore, Hong Kong, etc., does anyone know or discuss which university is best in these countries?
Could it be that "best" is not something that can be defined?Last edited by dugdugdug; 02-07-2012 at 00:49. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?No, wasn't me.(Original post by Tsunami2011)
You do know that the term Golden Triangle was coined by a British newspaper? It's not official yet, but people seem to assume so. I'm not sure if it was you, but someone said the G5 was the 'closet thing' we had to an Ivy, when it doesn't have a formal existence..
I against US type acronyms, doesn't work for us and doesn't suit us. it makes celebrity and not genuine renowned quality, some UK universities have tried this and it is backfiring.
LSE/ UCL/ St A's are noton a par with UPenn or Cornell as of now. They may be in the future but they have to work for it the hard old fashioned way.
If they try the celebrity way by attaching them selves to to false/ temporary notions of quality, it will be seen though very quickly and then mud will stick. We already see this with a few other " RG " universities who have tried this.Last edited by Zenomorph; 02-07-2012 at 10:56. Reason: correct -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?What's your source apart from yourself that is ?(Original post by Miryo)
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Deepak's from Warwick, no secret about that and I wouldn't be surprised that you are too. Stop Trolling.(Original post by FO12DY)
I'm not saying it's valid, just that those posting it are not necessarily from Warwick.
If you Google the OPs query, the top results are the link people are posting from Warwick, as well as the source link at Sunday Times online, behind a paywall.
It's stupid to assume that their from Warwick because the 5 or so people that posted the link probably just Google'd the query, as I did to find the source link.
They they didn't post a link which 95% of viewers wouldn't be able to read, choosing instead an article that cited the original, that all can view.
Yes, it is stupid to assume someone links only to pages which they are associated with.
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?No need for you to cheer lead my own university UCL, thanks very much.(Original post by Gridiron-Gangster)
UCL has produced a number of high profile alumni as has King's and both have world-class reputations for medical research as does Imperial. LSE is second to none really for politics and finance etc. Edinburgh has always had a strong reputation in most fields, has produced PMs, world-class medical faculty which was the inspiration for UPenn's medical school and was part of the "age of enlightenment" which led to Edinburgh being labelled as "The Athens of Northern Europe".
Manchester has had much association with Nobel prize winners but not produced many of their own (i.e. mainly faculty) and Manchester has only reccently come onto the radar through the merger in 2006 but will certainly be up there in the future although I doubt the top 5 will ever change from Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial, LSE, UCL. Then perhaps Edinburgh and King's then Warwick then Manchester.
What world famous alumni is this ? Gandhi and Ito, that's 2. Who have King's produced that's so great and since when has Manchester been world famous ? You sound like a Manchester student. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?One more clipping to add to the scrapbook, Mr dug?(Original post by dugdugdug)
It's all hype re Oxbridge.
In today's Sunday Times, there's an article on the Labour MP, Chuka Umunna.
It states he's bright and "nearly got into Oxford ....."
Why doesn't it mention which university he actually DID attend?
It's not hype. If someone as smart as Umunna couldn't make it into Oxford, it demonstrates the calibre of students he must have been up against. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?I'm not in position to say if it's right or wrong. I can understand your point however surely your reasoning is based on hearsay rather than actually facts. Comparing institutions isn't easy as you make out. Both LSE and ICL are both specialised universities which Swansea isn't, so this isn't a fair comparison. However in terms of employment with high earning salaries then there is evidence to suggest employers prefer degrees from them institutions (ICL and LSE).(Original post by funkydee)
so is my statement about swansea wrong then?Last edited by FinalMH; 02-07-2012 at 12:27. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Amen to this.(Original post by Chucklefiend)
This thread is silly. The Ivy league is just an association of sports colleges (which doesn't include many of the best universities in the US btw.. MIT & Stanford to name a couple. And, the Russell group that keeps being bandied about as a UK equivalent is just a research funding lobbying group. Neither the Ivy league nor the Russell group has anything to do with the teaching quality of the member institutions.
With regards to the original question (and without using group labels) personally I'd say that Oxford, Cambridge, Warwick, LSE, UCL and potentially ICL and Durham are pretty much the same as Harvard, Yale, Brown, MIT ect.
Just my opinion though
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?1) I am not called Deepak.(Original post by Zenomorph)
Deepak's from Warwick, no secret about that and I wouldn't be surprised that you are too. Stop Trolling.
2) I have no interest in promoting the overall university prestige, means nothing to me. Far more central at looking at subject prestige.
3) I have already told you, I would have just used the Sunday Times link but it's not available content.
To put it bluntly, attending or going to Warwick has nothing to do with posting this link. It lists 10/11 universities, all of which I could just as easily have an affiliation with...
Anyway, the likes of LSE are easily comparable to Ivies in terms of international prestige, probably ahead in most cases. I have very good knowledge of this as I go abroad to asia, atleast 2months a year. The teaching does not differ greatly between Ivies and most top UK universities - I have relations who have been to both.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...227&highlight= - The fact here you are posting this shows you haven't even applied for university yet. If anything, you are trolling, now jog on.Last edited by Deep456; 02-07-2012 at 15:25. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?(Original post by Deep456)
1) I am not called Deepak.
2) I have no interest in promoting the overall university prestige, means nothing to me. Far more central at looking at subject prestige.
3) I have already told you, I would have just used the Sunday Times link but it's not available content.
To put it bluntly, attending or going to Warwick has nothing to do with posting this link. It lists 10/11 universities, all of which I could just as easily have an affiliation with...
Anyway, the likes of LSE are easily comparable to Ivies in terms of international prestige, probably ahead in most cases. I have very good knowledge of this as I go abroad to asia, atleast 2months a year. The teaching does not differ greatly between Ivies and most top UK universities - I have relations who have been to both.
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...227&highlight= - The fact here you are posting this shows you haven't even applied for university yet. If anything, you are trolling, now jog on.
OK, Deep 456 then. You say you are not promoting Warwick by doing that, but we'll never really know and you can't speak for the other guy, can you?
On what Basis do you say LSE is as good as Cornell for example ? What does going to Asia have anything to with LSE vs Cornell ? What your ' relations ' say is really moot, since it's all hearsay. I could make up the same thing - my Daddy used to teach at blah. blah, blah . Doesn't mean much.
You know I attended UCL and if you don't - scroll up .
If anything perhaps real trolls live in denial since some of them may have tried UCL and perhaps got rejected. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?League tables, every single one of them has shown UCL to have gone down in ranking.(Original post by Zenomorph)
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?# 17 in the world.(Original post by Miryo)
League tables, every single one of them has shown UCL to have gone down in ranking. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Everyone across the world is quite aware of The LSE. If you go to India and places, the only universities most people have heard of generally are Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Harvard, MIT and Stanford.(Original post by Zenomorph)
OK, Deep 456 then. You say you are not promoting Warwick by doing that, but we'll never really know and you can't speak for the other guy, can you?
On what Basis do you say LSE is as good as Cornell for example ? What does going to Asia have anything to with LSE vs Cornell ? What your ' relations ' say is really moot, since it's all hearsay. I could make up the same thing - my Daddy used to teach at blah. blah, blah . Doesn't mean much.
You know I attended UCL and if you don't - scroll up .
If anything perhaps real trolls live in denial since some of them may have tried UCL and perhaps got rejected.
Anecdotal evidence but it is no worse than what most people have contributed on this thread, including you.Last edited by Deep456; 02-07-2012 at 17:12. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Not only anecdotal but a sweeping totally unsubstantiated generalisation. We can all think what we want but it doesn't means it's true, I've never heard LSE mentioned in the same breath as Harvard et al.(Original post by Deep456)
Everyone across the world is quite aware of The LSE. If you go to India and places, the only universities most people have heard of generally are Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Harvard, MIT and Stanford.
Anecdotal evidence but it is no worse than what most people have contributed on this thread, including you.
I have been waiting to be asked for substantiation but none have, therefore I refrain from posting it, I don't assume anything. Perhaps it is the fear of some parties of being uncovered that prevents that.
Anyway I don't like the tone this conversation is taking so I'm afraid I'm going to cut it short and say we have agree to disagree. You may of course continue the general post if you wish, but I won't be replying to you personally. Regards.Last edited by Zenomorph; 02-07-2012 at 17:34. Reason: add
