Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?One you may need to add though it isn't often mentioned here is the University of Virginia. When the sacking of your equivalent of the Vice-Chancellor makes the FT(Original post by fudgesundae)
There are a couple of others, but these are the most globally recognised brands.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/347d20be-b...#axzz1zGyCF8ie
and the Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10297236
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10301028
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10308150
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10295416
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10301188
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10303042
as well as leading most of the newspapers in America for the last month, then you are an international brand.
If the VC of Durham or Bristol got the push, how much coverage would there be in the UK, let alone in Australia.
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Yes, they would; certainly by anyone worth their salt - just as if not more likely than LSE or Imperial. That said, LSE has a particularly self-imposed presence in Asia. It spends substantial amounts of money there in advertising. That's how it makes its money.(Original post by swbp)
In terms of international reputation obviously Harvard/Yale/Brown/Princeton are well known, but as are Oxbridge and possibly LSE and Imperial. However not all of the Ivy league are internationally known - if you said Dartmouth college of University of Pennsylvania to people across the world I doubt they would have heard of them, and these are both Ivy league schools.Last edited by Rancorous; 30-06-2012 at 12:04. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?The Ivies aren't that much better in teaching quality. Undergraduate teaching quality isn't brilliant anywhere, but the Ivies will probably have more competent lecturers. Honestly I would say the small LACs in America probably have the best teaching quality there.
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Long before the term was officially coined, they were referred to as ivy colleges or ivies. It was only after the establishment of the NCAA Division 1 which led to collegiate athletics being dominated by schools offering athletic scholarships, that the Ivy League was officially formed. It was formed to preserve the values of intercollegiate sport whilst maintaing the most important aspect of college life, academics. D1 scholarships have now become a way of young athletes, with no interest in the academic aspect of college, improving their game and getting noticed by the professional leagues. For the schools it has become a way of making large sums of money from sports programs whilst not having to pay the athletes.(Original post by nulli tertius)
The Ivy League schools ceased to be the best sporting colleges long before the term Ivy League was coined. The key thing about the Ivy League in sporting terms is that there are no sports scholarships. Students have to get in on academic ability.
Yes, I already addressed that in my last post. It was simply a slip, I acknowledged that there were other colleges such as Stanford and MIT which are comparable to the top ivies and above some of the lower ivies. I should have said they are elite academic schools.The Ivy League schools are not the elite academic schools. There are other research universities as renowned and difficult to enter outside the Ivy League such as Berkeley and MIT. There are other more renowned liberal arts colleges than Dartmouth outside the Ivy League. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?I meant in terms of being recognised by the layman. Despite the recent coverage (which I still doubt many people have read, as it isn't exactly front page news) it is not as recognisable as the aforementioned universities. If you asked pretty much anyone in the world what they believed the most prestigious or elite academic institutions are, most if not all the ones I listed would be mentioned. Despite the recent press UVA has gotten, you can't call it a global brand in the same way HYP, MIT, Stanford or Oxbridge are.(Original post by nulli tertius)
One you may need to add though it isn't often mentioned here is the University of Virginia. When the sacking of your equivalent of the Vice-Chancellor makes the FT
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/347d20be-b...#axzz1zGyCF8ie
and the Guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10297236
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10301028
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10308150
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10295416
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10301188
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10303042
as well as leading most of the newspapers in America for the last month, then you are an international brand.
If the VC of Durham or Bristol got the push, how much coverage would there be in the UK, let alone in Australia.
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Wikipedia is fairly good on the origin of the term and it only dates from the 1930s.(Original post by fudgesundae)
Long before the term was officially coined, they were referred to as ivy colleges or ivies.
NotedYes, I already addressed that in my last post. It was simply a slip, I acknowledged that there were other colleges such as Stanford and MIT which are comparable to the top ivies and above some of the lower ivies. I should have said they are elite academic schools. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?I thought it was late 1800s, but I stand corrected. I do believe that athletic links between some of these colleges do date back to the mid or late 1800s though.(Original post by nulli tertius)
Wikipedia is fairly good on the origin of the term and it only dates from the 1930s.Last edited by fudgesundae; 30-06-2012 at 12:13. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?It has been front page news all over the States.(Original post by fudgesundae)
I meant in terms of being recognised by the layman. Despite the recent coverage (which I still doubt many people have read, as it isn't exactly front page news) it is not as recognisable as the aforementioned universities. If you asked pretty much anyone in the world what they believed the most prestigious or elite academic institutions are, most if not all the ones I listed would be mentioned. Despite the recent press UVA has gotten, you can't call it a global brand in the same way HYP, MIT, Stanford or Oxbridge are.
Clearly the brand is not as big as HYP, MIT, Stanford or Oxbridge, but it is an international brand in the way that the University of Michigan or University of Texas or the University of North Carolina (and I have deliberately chosen these-not just picked 3 state names) aren't. Remember, a lot of older people still associate it with the Kennedys. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Lol, most of the majority of the Russell Group unis don't even come close to the reputation and quality of the Ivy League unis, only Oxbridge and a couple of others.(Original post by FO12DY)
Uh, Russel Group.
OP clearly isn't talking about sports - otherwise he'd know that there ISN'T an equivalent in the UK. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?The athletic links are much older than the term and essentially date back to the period after the Civil War. A much as anything, it is the Reconstruction period after the Civil War which creates this group of colleges because it cuts them off socially from the College of William & Mary, UVa and what is now called Washington & Lee University.(Original post by fudgesundae)
I thought it was late 1800s, but I stand corrected. I do believe that athletic links between some of these colleges do date back to the mid or late 1800s though. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?HAHA, the OP asked for a comparable establishment/group, the russel group Unis are the best research unis in the UK, and the world. The russel group is the obvious comparison to them.(Original post by Lord-Voldemort)
Lol, most of the majority of the Russell Group unis don't even come close to the reputation and quality of the Ivy League unis, only Oxbridge and a couple of others.
The IVY league doesnt even include all of the best american universities anyway. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?I'm also sure most people could only name 4 to 5 of the 8 Ivies....(Original post by QwertyG)
Is just me who knows about Ivy league from watching us tv shows? -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?Most of them would probably mistake Stanford and MIT as Ivies.
So as one man said;
Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Oxford, Cambridge are, IMO, the truly internationally recognized brands.
If you add some of the Ivies such as Dartmouth, you can add Imperial, LSE and UCL. Manchester and St. Andrews would be debatable, I guess. -
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Re: Which UK universities apart from Oxbridge are comparable to the Ivy Leagues?To be honest Ivy League doesn't mean much to me. The only American universities I'd say "wow" to, if somebody told me they went there, would be Princeton, Harvard and MIT (and CalTech due to one Richard Feynman(Original post by Mierder)
I'm currently an international student interested in applying to both sides of the atlantic for university. I was wondering apart from Oxbridge, which British universities can compete with the Ivy League schools in terms of:
-Teaching Quality
-Job prospects (in general)
-International Prestige/Reputation/wow factor (whatever you wanna call it)
). Stanford (even though it isn't in the Ivy League it's still relevant), Yale, Cornell would be recieved no differently to UCL or Warwick; by no means bad, but not the very best either.
I can't say I'd be much impressed with any other American university, Ivy League or not. The three I've mentioned I would put on par with Cambridge, Oxford, Imperial and LSE in terms of prestige. Who cares if the "layman" hasn't heard of these places; anyone who matters will have.Last edited by Astronomical; 30-06-2012 at 13:51.
). Stanford (even though it isn't in the Ivy League it's still relevant), Yale, Cornell would be recieved no differently to UCL or Warwick; by no means bad, but not the very best either.
