[Psyk]

(Original post by MrBlueMo0n)
I've been researching a little, and maybe you can call yourself British (officially). I wasn't saying before that you're not allowed, I was thinking more along the lines of it not being technically correct.

You know what, I'm still not sure.

Well there's nothing "technically" incorrect about it. If anything, saying your nationality is "English" is technically incorrect as under the technical legal definition, there is no such thing as English nationality.

[onda]

You Are what You are - i wish for a world where wé are not judged by nationality

[MrBlueMo0n]

(Original post by Psyk)
Well there's nothing "technically" incorrect about it. If anything, saying your nationality is "English" is technically incorrect as under the technical legal definition, there is no such thing as English nationality.

I know now; I said I was 'thinking along the lines of it being technically incorrect'. Now I know it's the other way around, which personally, I think is stupid. I mean, don't you want to be able to say you're English (if you are)? I do, and I will, but with the knowledge that I am technically British

[Psyk]

(Original post by MrBlueMo0n)
I know now; I said I was 'thinking along the lines of it being technically incorrect'. Now I know it's the other way around, which personally, I think is stupid. I mean, don't you want to be able to say you're English (if you are)? I do, and I will, but with the knowledge that I am technically British

Anyone is free to say they're English. But like it or not, the UK is one "country" (in the international sense of the word) and hence has one form of citizenship. It's why most forms on the Internet have a country option for UK and not England. It's because for most purposes, it's irrelevant which part of the UK you're from, especially to organisations outside of the UK.

[MrBlueMo0n]

(Original post by Psyk)
Anyone is free to say they're English. But like it or not, the UK is one "country" (in the international sense of the word) and hence has one form of citizenship. It's why most forms on the Internet have a country option for UK and not England. It's because for most purposes, it's irrelevant which part of the UK you're from, especially to organisations outside of the UK.

And where do you stand? I know this is not a war, but I do want to be able to say that I have English nationality.

[Psyk]

(Original post by MrBlueMo0n)
And where do you stand? I know this is not a war, but I do want to be able to say that I have English nationality.

Then you should be campaigning for English independence, as that's the only way it's going to happen. But it seems a bit silly to do that just so you can have a different word on your passport.

Personally, I don't think we should be splitting up into more independent countries. We should be aiming for the opposite if anything, when we can make that work. Not sure the EU is really working that well at the moment, but maybe in the future it will. So I'm against Scottish/English/Welsh independence. I'm more on the fence with Northern Ireland as if it left the UK, it would probably be to join Ireland rather than being independent. So in the end there's no overall loss of unity.

[MrBlueMo0n]

(Original post by Psyk)
Then you should be campaigning for English independence, as that's the only way it's going to happen. But it seems a bit silly to do that just so you can have a different word on your passport.

Personally, I don't think we should be splitting up into more independent countries. We should be aiming for the opposite if anything, when we can make that work. Not sure the EU is really working that well at the moment, but maybe in the future it will. So I'm against Scottish/English/Welsh independence. I'm more on the fence with Northern Ireland as if it left the UK, it would probably be to join Ireland rather than being independent. So in the end there's no overall loss of unity.

But don't the Scot's get free higher education etc.? We are paying for that, aren't we? So I'm not entirely sure what Wales and Scotland are helping with.

[Psyk]

(Original post by MrBlueMo0n)
But don't the Scot's get free higher education etc.? We are paying for that, aren't we? So I'm not entirely sure what Wales and Scotland are helping with.

The Scottish government is allocated a budget which they are free to spend how they wish within the areas they have control over. Saying "we" the English pay for it isn't really correct, all British taxpayers pay for it. Likewise whenever money is spent on something for England, all British taxpayers are paying for it.

So it's not like the Scottish government is being given taxpayer money specifically to offer free higher education. If they didn't spend it on that, they'd spend it on something else instead.

I do think we have some things to sort out. I think there should be some sort of devolution in England. Personally I think regional assemblies similar to the Welsh assembly would be better than a single English parliament. But I don't think that's a good reason to break up the entire union.

[MrBlueMo0n]

(Original post by Psyk)
The Scottish government is allocated a budget which they are free to spend how they wish within the areas they have control over. Saying "we" the English pay for it isn't really correct, all British taxpayers pay for it. Likewise whenever money is spent on something for England, all British taxpayers are paying for it.

So it's not like the Scottish government is being given taxpayer money specifically to offer free higher education. If they didn't spend it on that, they'd spend it on something else instead.

I do think we have some things to sort out. I think there should be some sort of devolution in England. Personally I think regional assemblies similar to the Welsh assembly would be better than a single English parliament. But I don't think that's a good reason to break up the entire union.

I know 'we' don't pay for it, but as the biggest (country, can I say that?) with the most people, it seems that 'we' pay most? I don't know, I'm just saying what I know, or have heard.

[Psyk]

(Original post by MrBlueMo0n)
I know 'we' don't pay for it, but as the biggest (country, can I say that?) with the most people, it seems that 'we' pay most? I don't know, I'm just saying what I know, or have heard.

Each individual pays their fair amount (except Jimmy Carr ). Of course English people as a whole pay more, there are millions more of them than Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish put together. You pay the same amount as anyone else in your circumstances, so why should it matter that English people make up the bulk of the taxpayers? It's fair (more or less) because although English people as a group pay more, there's also more of them to spend the money on.

Also I think it's right that taxpayer money is redistributed to where it's needed more. The average person in south east England probably pays more tax than the average person from the north because they make more money. I wouldn't expect the south east to receive as much public spending because in general they need it less.

I believe Scotland actually has a surplus. More money is collected from Scotland than is allocated back to the Scottish government. Although I'm not sure what the situation is when you take into account money that is spent on Scotland or on UK wide issues by Westminster

[MrBlueMo0n]

(Original post by Psyk)
Each individual pays their fair amount (except Jimmy Carr ). Of course English people as a whole pay more, there are millions more of them than Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish put together. You pay the same amount as anyone else in your circumstances, so why should it matter that English people make up the bulk of the taxpayers? It's fair (more or less) because although English people as a group pay more, there's also more of them to spend the money on.

Also I think it's right that taxpayer money is redistributed to where it's needed more. The average person in south east England probably pays more tax than the average person from the north because they make more money. I wouldn't expect the south east to receive as much public spending because in general they need it less.

I believe Scotland actually has a surplus. More money is collected from Scotland than is allocated back to the Scottish government. Although I'm not sure what the situation is when you take into account money that is spent on Scotland or on UK wide issues by Westminster

Yeah it wasn't that I thought that England pay more tax, per head, I was thinking more along the lines of distribution.

But anyhow, I know nothing about politics, and I can't seem to care less whether we have labour or conservatives in power. I reckon the government should give out basic knowledge courses or something. You know, to cover the most basic things that people shout give a **** about.

[Brutal Honesty]

(Original post by Psyk)
Each individual pays their fair amount (except Jimmy Carr ). Of course English people as a whole pay more, there are millions more of them than Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish put together. You pay the same amount as anyone else in your circumstances, so why should it matter that English people make up the bulk of the taxpayers? It's fair (more or less) because although English people as a group pay more, there's also more of them to spend the money on.

Also I think it's right that taxpayer money is redistributed to where it's needed more. The average person in south east England probably pays more tax than the average person from the north because they make more money. I wouldn't expect the south east to receive as much public spending because in general they need it less.

I believe Scotland actually has a surplus. More money is collected from Scotland than is allocated back to the Scottish government. Although I'm not sure what the situation is when you take into account money that is spent on Scotland or on UK wide issues by Westminster

Do revenues from North Sea Oil count as contributions from Scotland? If so, that's the only reason why they're net contributers.

[Jack22031994]

(Original post by Brutal Honesty)
Do revenues from North Sea Oil count as contributions from Scotland? If so, that's the only reason why they're net contributers.

Dunno as the north sea oil is controlled by Westminster not the scottish government


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[Gales]

(Original post by MrBlueMo0n)
But don't the Scot's get free higher education etc.? We are paying for that, aren't we? So I'm not entirely sure what Wales and Scotland are helping with.

Without Wales, good luck getting your water

[Jack22031994]

(Original post by Gales)
Without Wales, good luck getting your water

We are an island so there's plenty of it


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[Gales]

(Original post by Jack22031994)
We are an island so there's plenty of it


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Yes, but there is only one desalination plant in the whole of the UK.

[MrBlueMo0n]

(Original post by Gales)
Without Wales, good luck getting your water

Lol love you really

I'm way too uptight about this whole thing, just because I want to be able to say my nationality is English.

[Gales]

(Original post by MrBlueMo0n)
Lol love you really

I'm way too uptight about this whole thing, just because I want to be able to say my nationality is English.

Why can't you?

I class myself as both Welsh and British. British is my citizenship and I'm a UK national, but I also see myself as Welsh. There's two definitions of nationality and being English certainly comes under one.

[jazrizq]

No, though I was born in the US, a nationality of SEA country, raised in 5 different countries, of which 3 are non-English-speaking.

[Jack22031994]

(Original post by Gales)
Yes, but there is only one desalination plant in the whole of the UK.

Build another then


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