[Dmon1Unlimited]

Because thats an item of clothing, might as well ban wearing a hood/coat while youre at it

it symbolises modesty. granted wearing normal clothes is also being modest, but there is removing the ability to wear what you want leads to a deterioration of your rights.
I understand some of the reasons such as removing for security etc. this can be resolved without banning however. regarding reasoning, compromise is more important here

[Felchingman]

(Original post by Emaemmaemily)
Yes, but that isn't "banning" it, which is what I was mainly talking about. I do think that everyone should have to prove their idendity, exactly the same as each other. But it shouldn't be actually banned, that's stupid.

To force people to show their faces at passport checks you would actually have to ban it in that particular instance.

[Risserd]

(Original post by Dmon1Unlimited)
Because thats an item of clothing, might as well ban wearing a hood/coat while youre at it

it symbolises modesty. granted wearing normal clothes is also being modest, but there is removing the ability to wear what you want leads to a deterioration of your rights.
I understand some of the reasons such as removing for security etc. this can be resolved without banning however. regarding reasoning, compromise is more important here

no, it symbolises the status of women in islam: as 10th class citizens. and every country calling itself civilised should ban them.

[rakibm]

(Original post by Lord-Voldemort)
Britain has often followed European trends in recent times, especially when such trends receive public support from Britons. I don't necessarily agree that banning the burka is morally right, but it is observable that the trend in Europe (whether you agree that it is morally right or wrong) is to ban the burka. France and some states in Germany have done it, same with some areas of Italy and Spain.

So why is Britain so reluctant to follow this trend (whether the trend is morally right or wrong)?

Personally, I believe it could fall into the following categories:

1) Because the British values associated with freedom of expression mean that dictating what people wear in public restrains any such enactment banning the burka. Although I think this is a smokescreen because Britain already does that and has some rather restrictive laws on freedom of expression compared to other Western countries.

2) Fear of the backlash from Muslim communities and human rights organisations, including: riots, disorder and the government of the day losing out on a block of votes.

It seems that the government enjoys peddling the view that number 1 is the reason (which it should be), but I think that, unfortunately, number 2 holds more weight or is likely to be the real reason.

If you ban the jilbab then I'm pretty sure you'd have to extend that ban to Christian nuns and their attire, they are pretty much the same.


Freedom or expression? Please don't make me laugh. And you've not actually stated why it should be banned?

[rakibm]

(Original post by Risserd)
no, it symbolises the status of women in islam: as 10th class citizens. and every country calling itself civilised should ban them.

Do you know what the burka is? Essentially, what your actually saying is we need to start banning coats o.O

[rakibm]

(Original post by Felchingman)
It is wrong in some instances : women refusing to show their faces when asked to do so at passport checks.

That's not a burka/jilbab. How can you be expected to voice your opinion when you can't tell the difference between the items of clothing you want, banned.

[Risserd]

(Original post by rakibm)
Do you know what the burka is? Essentially, what your actually saying is we need to start banning coats o.O

coats dont cover the eyses. obviously YOU dont know what a burka is.

[rakibm]

(Original post by Risserd)
coats dont cover the eyses. obviously YOU dont know what a burka is.

Neither does a burqa? The cloth that covers the face is called a niqab, the head scarf - hijab, the body covering - jilbab/burka. LOL

Get your facts right pal.

[Old Father Time]

Britain is a free country, in which every citizen has the right to express their religious views in the form of which type of clothing they wear. They also have the right to religious freedom, allowing them to follow which ever religion they like. On account of these, I don't think the burka should be banned, or any religious attire for that matter.

[Risserd]

(Original post by rakibm)
Neither does a burqa? The cloth that covers the face is called a niqab, the head scarf - hijab, the body covering - jilbab/burka. LOL

Get your facts right pal.

lol, the niqaab covers the whole body excluding the eyes, the burqa covers the whole body including the eyes

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Old Father Time)
Britain is a free country, in which every citizen has the right to express their religious views in the form of which type of clothing they wear. They also have the right to religious freedom, allowing them to follow which ever religion they like. On account of these, I don't think the burka should be banned, or any religious attire for that matter.

Good sentiment but entirely irrellevant for this thread- the burkha is not religious attire, it isnt required in islam or mentioned in the quran. It is a hangover of social problems in medieval arab countries where women were regualry in danger of being attacked by men.

[FinalMH]

(Original post by NuckingFut)
Strictly anti british?

Sony and Microsoft are not british. Neither is Ikea. Or Samsung. Or Audi. You still use all these products right? Since when should something be banned or outlawed since it isnt "british?"

its the covering of the face people disagree with. why should we use CTV if we can't identify people.

This was posted from The Student Room's Android App on my GT-I9100

[Risserd]

(Original post by Felchingman)
It is wrong in some instances : women refusing to show their faces when asked to do so at passport checks.

airport staff probably dont even dare to ask, too afraid of being accused of racism. thats the rotten state britain is today,

[Lord-Voldemort]

(Original post by rakibm)
If you ban the jilbab then I'm pretty sure you'd have to extend that ban to Christian nuns and their attire, they are pretty much the same.


Freedom or expression? Please don't make me laugh. And you've not actually stated why it should be banned?

If you actually used your eyes you would see that I am not personally arguing that it should be banned.

[Dirac Delta Function]

Cos we're not fascists.

[hannah60000]

Possibly because Britain is known as a VERY Tolerant society, (although that is slightly changing in hard times), thus we wish not to offend and what everyone to have that freedom of expression in this case religion. That what I would say.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Dirac Delta Function)
Cos we're not fascists.

Who are you talking about, islam or britain?

[Charlottie93]

(Original post by Howard)
Of course not. If you chose to wear a Burkha that's your choice. But if you chose to wear it when you get your passport photograph done then clearly your passport application should be denied. Let common sense prevail.

It would be denied anyway if you had your face covered...

be taken with nothing covering your face - you should make sure nothing covers the outline of your eyes, nose or mouth

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...tion/DG_174152

OP how does what women wear in any way shape or form affect you in your day to day life?
As for the person who said it's anti-British lets just remember we're an island full of immigrants every last one of us at some point will have been related / descended from an immigrant who had their own traditions e.t.c. that others would have found strange...

[Howard]

(Original post by Charlottie93)
It would be denied anyway if you had your face covered...

I would imagine it would.

[Howard]

(Original post by Charlottie93)
OP how does what women wear in any way shape or form affect you in your day to day life?
As for the person who said it's anti-British lets just remember we're an island full of immigrants every last one of us at some point will have been related / descended from an immigrant who had their own traditions e.t.c. that others would have found strange...

If Darwin was right I suppose at some point we'd all be related to a fish.