WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?Hi koko,
Genuine question.
Why do I never come across anybody wearing a burka in employment in my daily life?
I only ever see them with kids or prams.
The person you describe in Tesco will be undoubtedly a customer and not a member of staff.
In your experience in your community does wearing one reduce your chances of being employed outside the home?
Anybody else?
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?Hi,(Original post by Ray Bradbury)
Hi koko,
Genuine question.
Why do I never come across anybody wearing a burka in employment in my daily life?
I only ever see them with kids or prams.
The person you describe in Tesco will be undoubtedly a customer and not a member of staff.
In your experience in your community does wearing one reduce your chances of being employed outside the home?
She'a a customer
In terms of employment, I don't know really, I'm not that experienced. I'm not employed
I don't know anyone around me or as in the community who wears a burka.
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?Its as bad and oppressive telling women what they cant wear as what they must wear.
This is why the burqa shouldnt be banned
And i dont even agree with the burqa, but if women want to wear it then they should be able to.
As for those who are forced to wear it by abusive families/husbands whatever, well this is Britain, plenty of ways to get through to helplines etc and remove herself from that situation. -
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?(Original post by Lord-Voldemort)
Britain has often followed European trends in recent times, especially when such trends receive public support from Britons. I don't necessarily agree that banning the burka is morally right, but it is observable that the trend in Europe (whether you agree that it is morally right or wrong) is to ban the burka. France and some states in Germany have done it, same with some areas of Italy and Spain.
So why is Britain so reluctant to follow this trend (whether the trend is morally right or wrong)?
Personally, I believe it could fall into the following categories:
1) Because the British values associated with freedom of expression mean that dictating what people wear in public restrains any such enactment banning the burka. Although I think this is a smokescreen because Britain already does that and has some rather restrictive laws on freedom of expression compared to other Western countries.
2) Fear of the backlash from Muslim communities and human rights organisations, including: riots, disorder and the government of the day losing out on a block of votes.
It seems that the government enjoys peddling the view that number 1 is the reason (which it should be), but I think that, unfortunately, number 2 holds more weight or is likely to be the real reason.
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?How can I argue with such a reputable source as the DailyFail(Original post by TRS-T)
This already happens.
Talk about double standards.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dashboard.html
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?GODWINS LAW PEOPLE!!!!!!(Original post by crocker710)
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National Socialism was 'the trend' in europe in the 1930s / 1940s does that mean we should have followed it then? Oh - not just in the fringe states, Italy, Germany, Spain; and then France.
Care to elaborate the nonsense you've spouted in 'point' one? [Italicised]
Yeah there will be a backlash from the Muslim community if they were told what they can and cannot wear in public. Imagine if the Hasidic Jews were told they had to shave their beards? Or Christians were told they weren't allowed to wear the cross? I'd imagine they'd not just sit there and go, 'oh well let's not do anything' either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
To make your argument have more clout you simply play the Nazi card rather than having anything useful to say. I agree with your point in essence but I stopped reading after 'national socialism'
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?Oh; your referring to ad hominem attacks to support your argument.. seriously just calm down and use your brain!(Original post by crocker710)
Yeah there's a difference between following a trend against a religion and one religion only (which you claim is a good enough reason for it to be enacted in Britain) and ensuring that every citizen has basic human rights.
Post script.
You're a moron.
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?What's your point, if you wish to highlight the fact I've referred to National Socialism in a comparison the least you can do is explain why you see it as inappropriate. If you'd bothered to understand or read about Godwin's Law you'd know it makes no comment on the appropriateness of the inclusion of reference to National Socialism. Taken from YOUR link -(Original post by Muscovite)
GODWINS LAW PEOPLE!!!!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
To make your argument have more clout you simply play the Nazi card rather than having anything useful to say. I agree with your point in essence but I stopped reading after 'national socialism'
The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses, irrespective of whether it's appropriate or not.It appears you're the once who needs to 'seriously just calm down and use your brain' - you're attempting to be some kind of online Nazi-law hunter; the comparison is appropriate, now if you don't have anything constructive to make about my post, as you 'stopped reading after National Socialism' please don't quote me again.(Original post by Muscovite)
Oh; your referring to ad hominem attacks to support your argument.. seriously just calm down and use your brain!Last edited by crocker710; 04-07-2012 at 18:13. -
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?I think you'll find you can.(Original post by randomguy786)
Because you can't just "make" a religion. -
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?unless you want us to bomb the white house, if it was me i would call it the Brown House, then i suggest keep your ignorant opinions to yourself. its a basic denial of freedom of expressions, ok then lets ban the turban too if youre so bothered.
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?I posted
Hi koko,
Genuine question.
Why do I never come across anybody wearing a burka in employment in my daily life?
I only ever see them with kids or prams.
The person you describe in Tesco will be undoubtedly a customer and not a member of staff.
In your experience in your community does wearing one reduce your chances of being employed outside the home?
koko posted
Hi,
She'a a customer
In terms of employment, I don't know really, I'm not that experienced. I'm not employed I don't know anyone around me or as in the community who wears a burka.
It's me again-
I have asked this question on forums before and just like today it always goes quiet. Nobody saying that they seen them worn by anybody working in a job, including nothing from the people posting fast and furiously defending their use. Suddenly it is like I am posting with invisible ink, just ignore him and he'll go away. (Cue countless people coming on saying they see loads working in a burka. Too late I wont believe you.
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You see this is my main problem with it. It restricts the way they interact with other people and acts as a brake on any integration for them. One of the best ways to integrate is to get a job and mix with people outside your own community. Clearly once the veil goes on any chance of getting a job other than within the family goes out of the window. Which, I think, is the purpose.Last edited by Ray Bradbury; 04-07-2012 at 19:20. -
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?I agree with you. I don't see the point of wearing a burka and sometimes scarfs too. I do what I want whenever I want, therefore sometimes I wear a scarf if I feels like it and sometimes I don't.(Original post by Ray Bradbury)
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Hi koko,
Genuine question.
Why do I never come across anybody wearing a burka in employment in my daily life?
I only ever see them with kids or prams.
The person you describe in Tesco will be undoubtedly a customer and not a member of staff.
In your experience in your community does wearing one reduce your chances of being employed outside the home?
koko posted
Hi,
She'a a customer
In terms of employment, I don't know really, I'm not that experienced. I'm not employed I don't know anyone around me or as in the community who wears a burka.
It's me again-
I have asked this question on forums before and just like today it always goes quiet. Nobody saying that they seen them worn by anybody working in a job, including nothing from the people posting fast and furiously defending their use. Suddenly it is like I am posting with invisible ink, just ignore him and he'll go away. (Cue countless people coming on saying they see loads working in a burka. Too late I wont believe you. )
You see this is my main problem with it. It restricts the way they interact with other people and acts as a brake on any integration for them. One of the best ways to integrate is to get a job and mix with people outside your own community. Clearly once the veil goes on any chance of getting a job other than within the family goes out of the window. Which, I think, is the purpose.
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Re: WHY doesn't Britain ban the burka?How is it effecting you? Muslim women or girls don't do anything wrong to you, do they? You have no right to comment on other's outfit or on what they are wearing, how would you feel if I comment on yours? Why does everyone always pick on muslims? I wear a hijab but believe it or not I have as much freedom as you have. I don't feel my hijab or my mum's burqa is having a negative impact on others, my hijab is not effecting my grades, my education, or my social life, so why are you behind it? Let me wear whatever I want to, I'm not forcing you to wear it. My life, my body,my choice! So why does it bother you?
I don't know anyone around me or as in the community who wears a burka.
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