[MrBlueMo0n]

(Original post by Lamps08)
I got 135. Must have fluked some of them or something, no way am I past 120. Anyway I'll bow out now, and pull out of any future IQ-test participation in advance...

P.s- I'm white (tan real bad though)

Didn't know it was a bad thing to tan... And I'm white too.

[HermesTrismegistus]

(Original post by MrBlueMo0n)
Not really... I go to sixth form, just finished my AS exams. But what exactly do you mean by that?

I mean that your score is enough to join either of the two largest high I.Q. societies, but that's pretty much all the use you can give to an official examination report. And the only point in joining such societies is that they can provide you with a space where you can meet people within your range of intelligence, in case you are having difficulties finding them in your current social group and you feel the need to. For example, everyone in my hometown (not in Europe) is dumb as **** and I just can't bear listening to any of their conversations for more than five minutes. That's why I felt the need to join a society. I qualified and was there for some months. Wasn't very helpful, though: only 5 people here. Anyway, It was nice having access to the national internet platform. But then I went to university and found myself in an environment where I could find people with a similar level of intelligence to mine without any difficulty. Actually, this is one of the main reasons why I would encourage you to apply to Oxbridge.

Now, you say you're in Sixth Form. The student population in those places is generally quite unselected in terms of intelligence, so you may find some use in joining a society. But then again, you may have one or two smart mates or just feel comfortable with how things fare for you at the moment. There you go.

[whyumadtho]

(Original post by HermesTrismegistus)
Sorry, could you tell me what the referent of the 'which' in bold type is?

IQ scores and 'race' (which is still an unsound premise).

If I understand correctly, even if your factual claims were true, all it would mean is that ethnicity per se does not cause lower scores or higher criminality. This is hardly surprising: one wouldn't expect cyan skin colour to make you dumb. And the correlation still holds.

Just like the correlation between piracy and global temperature holds.

You can increase your I.Q. when you are in a certain age, within a certain range, with proper stimulation. But never by more than one standard deviation. And there's a point, at about 21/22 years of age, where it's simply too late. In other words, if you were born an average person there's no way you'll become a scientist, though you may increase your I.Q. enough to be a decent university graduate.

But why can somebody not increase their IQ? How is it possible that they become unable to identify patterns? Finally, how does one separate knowledge and intelligence?

[MrBlueMo0n]

(Original post by HermesTrismegistus)
I mean that your score is enough to join either of the two largest high I.Q. societies, but that's pretty much all the use you can give to an official examination report. And the only point in joining such societies is that they can provide you with a space where you can meet people within your range of intelligence, in case you are having difficulties finding them in your current social group and you feel the need to. For example, everyone in my hometown (not in Europe) is dumb as **** and I just can't bear listening to any of their conversations for more than five minutes. That's why I felt the need to join a society. I qualified and was there for some months. Wasn't very helpful, though: only 5 people here. Anyway, It was nice having access to the national internet platform. But then I went to university and found myself in an environment where I could find people with a similar level of intelligence to mine without any difficulty. Actually, this is one of the main reasons why I would encourage you to apply to Oxbridge.

Now, you say you're in Sixth Form. The student population in those places is generally quite unselected in terms of intelligence, so you may find some use in joining a society. But then again, you may have one or two smart mates or just feel comfortable with how things fare for you at the moment. There you go.

Yes, I do feel like that sometimes, but I'm lucky to be hanging out with the 'geeks' of my year. Some of them get A*s on everything, and as a group we are much more clever than the rest.

However, these guys just work hard, no doubt they are clever, but maybe not as capable as me in the .dk test. Even so, they are all ahead of me in academic studies, so usually I don't really feel as clever.

So, should I feel that I have enough intelectual peers around me, or am I alone regardless of academia?

This leads on to my own grades, where I would really stand a chance in Oxbridge. I'm struggling to motivate myself about my own prospects with the likes of Imperial and UCL.

[FreeHat]

(Original post by MrBlueMo0n)
Yes, I do feel like that sometimes, but I'm lucky to be hanging out with the 'geeks' of my year. Some of them get A*s on everything, and as a group we are much more clever than the rest.

However, these guys just work hard, no doubt they are clever, but maybe not as capable as me in the .dk test. Even so, they are all ahead of me in academic studies, so usually I don't really feel as clever.

So, should I feel that I have enough intelectual peers around me, or am I alone regardless of academia?

This leads on to my own grades, where I would really stand a chance in Oxbridge. I'm struggling to motivate myself about my own prospects with the likes of Imperial and UCL.

Being such an intelectual I fear that you're doomed to a life of solitude

[MrBlueMo0n]

(Original post by FreeHat)
Being such an intelectual I fear that you're doomed to a life of solitude

But I can use that in a positive way!

I'll just have to accept being clevererrer than the others....

[HermesTrismegistus]

(Original post by MrBlueMo0n)
Yes, I do feel like that sometimes, but I'm lucky to be hanging out with the 'geeks' of my year. Some of them get A*s on everything, and as a group we are much more clever than the rest.

However, these guys just work hard, no doubt they are clever, but maybe not as capable as me in the .dk test. Even so, they are all ahead of me in academic studies, so usually I don't really feel as clever.

So, should I feel that I have enough intelectual peers around me, or am I alone regardless of academia?

This leads on to my own grades, where I would really stand a chance in Oxbridge. I'm struggling to motivate myself about my own prospects with the likes of Imperial and UCL.

Good luck then. It's not too hard to get in. Just be sure to apply to something you really want to do.

[democracyforum]

The argument is WHY they have lower IQs and school performance,

not IF they do.


People happily say Chinese and Indian students perform better in school, but as soon as black people get mentioned, it is taboo.

[uwotm8?]

jews are white

[Ano1]

(Original post by uwotm8?)
jews are white

and so are the han-chinese

[pop101]

(Original post by Pyramidologist)
Wrong again. When Negroids are raised in adverse conditions, their IQ's only raise by 13 points, still far under the average Caucasoid and Mongoloid (Lynn, 2006). So for example when Negroids ('Blacks') are adopted by ''White American'' (Caucasoid) families, their IQ is still lower than White Americans.

IQ is genetic. The ''White''/''Black'' gap can never be closed. Even when Blacks are raised by middle or upper class Whites, they still are lower in IQ than Whites.

Then I might as well say Asians genetically have one of the highest IQs around. But that's total bull**** as I know a few who probably don't have an IQ of above average. (Cuz IQ measures mthematical/logical ability and Asians generally are good at the Maths and Sciences).

[democracyforum]

Okay, let's forget IQ and move on.

So let's look at school performance, crime rates, productivity, creativity.

These subjects are clearly divided by ethnic lines.

[pop101]

(Original post by whyumadtho;38543180

But [I)
why[/I] can somebody not increase their IQ? How is it possible that they become unable to identify patterns? Finally, how does one separate knowledge and intelligence?

The peak of intelligence is supposedly at the age of 26. IQ measures mostly mathematical/logical intelligence. If you like things like chess, numbers etc. then your probably going to score a high IQ. And that's the problem for many. Someone could be a genius in music but score an IQ of 102. Knowledge is what you learn in your day to day life i.e you may learn about respiration in a Biology class (random) = knowledge. IQ measures how well you can learn basically. An example is this: 10A*s = knowledge (with a mix of intelligence). 145 IQ = intelligence (no knowledge). Generally there is a correlation with the 2. For your question about people not increasing their IQs, it's because IQ tests natural ability - you really can't change that. But your brain could be rusty so if you do things like play Chess, it can slightly improve.

[Dukeofwembley]

(Original post by 4RealBlud)
It's not even that, this whole thread is to point out that just because one people have higher IQs on average, it doesn't mean that they have a smaller genetic intellectual potential/capacity. Muscle mass and the such are easier to measure than genetic intellectual potential. There are no studies that solidly prove that blacks have more/less genetic intellectual potential than any one else and i challenge anyone to give me such evidence.

Yes, our skin colour has changed because we live in different parts of the world with different conditions, but our intelligence hasn't as far as we know, because wherever you live, increased intelligence generally increases the likelihood of survival.

there are also no studies that solidly prove that evolution exists, or it would be known as a fact, not theory which may be open to debate,(if new opposig evidence occurs-like the arrival of god lol)

Evidence:

http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org...%20Nisbett.pdf

read the refernces an follow them
as i do not have time

[Dukeofwembley]

(Original post by c.anez)
IQ test is just a logic test, doesn't come close to determining the overall knowledge of an individual. End of..

lol at this idiottroll

you not a psychologist, you have not read journals and reports, you have no idea

How come universities use a ukcat to weed out medical students, is it for fun???

No the answer is it is a iq test(but a flawed one) and there is a strong correlation between high ukcat and good med school results.

so please stop spouting bull**** outta your arse like the other people who think if you set your mind to anything you can achieve. That is politically correct bull****!!!!

[c.anez]

(Original post by Dukeofwembley)
lol at this idiottroll

you not a psychologist, you have not read journals and reports, you have no idea

How come universities use a ukcat to weed out medical students, is it for fun???

No the answer is it is a iq test(but a flawed one) and there is a strong correlation between high ukcat and good med school results.

so please stop spouting bull**** outta your arse like the other people who think if you set your mind to anything you can achieve. That is politically correct bull****!!!!

A true troll right here. Don't be such a retard please. Anyone can achieve anything they wish. It's people like you with negative aspects in life who won't get anywhere like that with that attitude.

IQ TESTS YOU WITH NUMBERS AND PATTERNS : PURE LOGIC, NOTHING ELSE. IQ DOES NOT, AND I REPEAT, DOES NOT DETERMINE OVERALL KNOWLEDGE.

It's true there's a correlation that the higher the IQ, the better chance one will grasp something, but this is not always the case.

I know TONS of Medics, Engineers, and Physicists who don't have a genius level IQ and that are fairly average (around 100-120) and are doing fine because they put in hard work.

Eg: my friend was crap at Math GCSE's and decided to take the hardest pre-university Math courses in the world (IB Further Math Higher Level and IB Math Higher Level) being harder than Further Maths A-Levels by a landslide and managed to get the top score 7/7. He had to study 24/7 but he did it.

IQ does not determine knowledge ok? Just logic. Get mad.

[ForKicks]

(Original post by Dukeofwembley)
l like the other people who think if you set your mind to anything you can achieve. That is politically correct bull****!!!!

How does that link to IQ? If someone had low IQ but went on to succeed, how would that be explained if not because they put their minds to it? Yes luck is involved, but everyone knows we make our own luck.

[pop101]

(Original post by c.anez)
IQ TESTS YOU WITH NUMBERS AND PATTERNS : PURE LOGIC, NOTHING ELSE. IQ DOES NOT, AND I REPEAT, DOES NOT DETERMINE OVERALL KNOWLEDGE.
It's true there's a correlation that the higher the IQ, the better chance one will grasp something, but this is not always the case.
I know TONS of Medics, Engineers, and Physicists who don't have a genius level IQ and that are fairly average (around 100-120) and are doing becaus they put in hard work.
Eg: my friend was crap at Math GCSE's and decided to take the hardest pre-university Math courses in the world (IB Further Math Higher Level and IB Math Higher Level) being harder than Further Maths A-Levels by a landslide and managed to get the top score 7/7. He had to study 24/7 but he did it.
IQ does not determine knowledge ok? Just logic. Get mad.

I HIGHLY doubt that they would have 'average' IQ's. Pure hard work alone can only get you so far, and every one of those jobs you mentioned requires some natural logical ability - towards the higher end. A genius IQ is 140+. Average is between 95-105 (110 max). You have to have a decent logical ability to even get one of those jobs. You're right, IQ doesn't determine knowledge, it's an indicator of how well someone can learn/think (logically).

[ForKicks]

(Original post by pop101)
I HIGHLY doubt that they would have 'average' IQ's. Pure hard work alone can only get you so far, and every one of those jobs you mentioned requires some natural logical ability - towards the higher end. A genius IQ is 140+. Average is between 95-105 (110 max). You have to have a decent logical ability to even get one of those jobs. You're right, IQ doesn't determine knowledge, it's an indicator of how well someone can learn/think (logically).

How far will low IQ stop you? I mean, Branson did miserably in IQ tests and is a billionaire. Is billionaire the cap for how far it will get you? I think success in business is just as hard as those jobs listed.

[c.anez]

(Original post by pop101)
I HIGHLY doubt that they would have 'average' IQ's. Pure hard work alone can only get you so far, and every one of those jobs you mentioned requires some natural logical ability - towards the higher end. A genius IQ is 140+. Average is between 95-105 (110 max). You have to have a decent logical ability to even get one of those jobs. You're right, IQ doesn't determine knowledge, it's an indicator of how well someone can learn/think (logically).

Actually, you would be surprised how far hard work can take you. If you have an IQ of 110-120 + hard work you can certainly get somewhere in Engineering. Medics don't have to rely as much on logic as their profession doesn't require Math but tons of memorizing.

EDIT: If your IQ is in the 90's though, you're gonna have a bad time choosing Engineering/Physics


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