[TomasK]

This may seem like a really silly question to some, but I see that from time to time this question arises on the boards and at the moment, I am slightly interested in it myself. So here goes:

How important are 1st year results to securing internship offers/interviews? How many (which) BBs actually ask for 1st year results (breakdown or just average) for summer internships or do they only want your predicted grade, considering 1st year does not even count towards your final degree at most universities.

[PoorRichBoy]

(Original post by TomasK)
This may seem like a really silly question to some, but I see that from time to time this question arises on the boards and at the moment, I am slightly interested in it myself. So here goes:

How important are 1st year results to securing internship offers/interviews? How many (which) BBs actually ask for 1st year results (breakdown or just average) for summer internships or do they only want your predicted grade, considering 1st year does not even count towards your final degree at most universities.

Most ask for a general 1st year mark and then you can emphasise on the modules you scored well in at interviews. What did you achieve if you don't mind asking?

[Intriguing Alias]

(Original post by TomasK)
This may seem like a really silly question to some, but I see that from time to time this question arises on the boards and at the moment, I am slightly interested in it myself. So here goes:

How important are 1st year results to securing internship offers/interviews? How many (which) BBs actually ask for 1st year results (breakdown or just average) for summer internships or do they only want your predicted grade, considering 1st year does not even count towards your final degree at most universities.

I hear that for the places that don't ask you to list a previous year grade - they may ask you during interview 'what do you base this prediction on?', often whilst having done the research and having found your first year grade.

[TomasK]

(Original post by PoorRichBoy)
Most ask for a general 1st year mark and then you can emphasise on the modules you scored well in at interviews. What did you achieve if you don't mind asking?

Less than a per cent off a 2.1, not too bothered, but then again, if it might have any affect on summer apps, I might become proportionately more worried.

(Original post by hassi94)
I hear that for the places that don't ask you to list a previous year grade - they may ask you during interview 'what do you base this prediction on?', often whilst having done the research and having found your first year grade.

Ok, I see. Well, the explanation is always fairly obvious, 1st year doesn't count, prioritized accordingly.

[sw3]

if it counts towards your degree then possibly. I landed a 2:2 after attending nothing and doing revision the night before the exam. I will state this in interview, obviously getting the marks they want for years 2,3 and 4 where it actually counts. don't worry about it too much

[M1011]

(Original post by sw3)
if it counts towards your degree then possibly. I landed a 2:2 after attending nothing and doing revision the night before the exam. I will state this in interview, obviously getting the marks they want for years 2,3 and 4 where it actually counts. don't worry about it too much

You're going to state your lack of work ethic in your interview? I'd advise against that tbh

[sw3]

(Original post by M1011)
You're going to state your lack of work ethic in your interview? I'd advise against that tbh

haha, in my defense, i'm going to state that the UK education system has instilled this poor work ethic by not making our first year count. Then i'll make it all better by saying 'look at the first i'm currently averaging in my second year'.. when **** hits the fan, i step up

[TomasK]

(Original post by sw3)
haha, in my defense, i'm going to state that the UK education system has instilled this poor work ethic by not making our first year count. Then i'll make it all better by saying 'look at the first i'm currently averaging in my second year'.. when **** hits the fan, i step up

Haha, so true. Just discussed this with a friend last week, although as usual with many things in life, there are advantages to it (a system like this) as well.

[Jakeh]

(Original post by sw3)
haha, in my defense, i'm going to state that the UK education system has instilled this poor work ethic by not making our first year count. Then i'll make it all better by saying 'look at the first i'm currently averaging in my second year'.. when **** hits the fan, i step up

Not all unis have 0 weighting on first year, it's hardly the UK education system either that means you cannot scrape a 2.1 its not particularly difficult trust me.

If you tell them those reasons so as to why you got your 2.2 goodluck getting a call back. rofl.

[Fynch101]

(Original post by Jakeh)
If you tell them those reasons so as to why you got your 2.2 goodluck getting a call back. rofl.

Agreed.

[LuisSuarez7]

Most internships I applied to asked for a minimum 2.1 then was asked what modules I took and marks achieved in each one. I think its so it gives them an idea of the sort of degree mark your on track for, could be wrong though.

[sw3]

(Original post by Jakeh)
Not all unis have 0 weighting on first year, it's hardly the UK education system either that means you cannot scrape a 2.1 its not particularly difficult trust me.

If you tell them those reasons so as to why you got your 2.2 goodluck getting a call back. rofl.

i understand where you're coming from, and it's a fair point. But my uni does have a 0 weighting on first year. And my ECs and w/e are very good so i'm not too bothered about one year that doesn't count. I spoke to a j.p. morgan recruiter who attended our uni and she simply said to blame it on the transition from school to uni and that first year marks aren't reflective of true potential due to the transition period. Most students need the year to settle down into the environment etc of uni. But this obviously isn't the case for each individual..

[Jakeh]

(Original post by sw3)
i understand where you're coming from, and it's a fair point. But my uni does have a 0 weighting on first year. And my ECs and w/e are very good so i'm not too bothered about one year that doesn't count. I spoke to a j.p. morgan recruiter who attended our uni and she simply said to blame it on the transition from school to uni and that first year marks aren't reflective of true potential due to the transition period. Most students need the year to settle down into the environment etc of uni. But this obviously isn't the case for each individual..

That's not what you're going to state though, you was going to say about your bad work ethic. I actually interned at JPM and spoke to HR lol and trust me, they won't suddenly think "oh give him a chance", must students can manage 2.1's in first year

[sw3]

(Original post by Jakeh)
That's not what you're going to state though, you was going to say about your bad work ethic. I actually interned at JPM and spoke to HR lol and trust me, they won't suddenly think "oh give him a chance", must students can manage 2.1's in first year

first year marks aren't everything. they don't even need to go on a CV and very few application forms actually ask you to list every module and mark. Most students **** around in their first year and have fun. For me, 2nd year is where the work begins.

Students make this out to be much bigger than it actually is. If i don't manage to get an internship next year due to first year grades, then i'll just use a contact, get a summer at a boutique and apply for a grad scheme using my second year.

It's not the end of the world lol, there's more to life than investment banking.

[Jakeh]

(Original post by sw3)
first year marks aren't everything. they don't even need to go on a CV and very few application forms actually ask you to list every module and mark. Most students **** around in their first year and have fun. For me, 2nd year is where the work begins.

Students make this out to be much bigger than it actually is. If i don't manage to get an internship next year due to first year grades, then i'll just use a contact, get a summer at a boutique and apply for a grad scheme using my second year.

It's not the end of the world lol, there's more to life than investment banking.

You sound super defensive. I actually had a fun filled 1st/2nd/3rd year and managed to sustain 70%+ in everything as i've stated university is not that difficult.

You're fortunate to have a contact that can get you an internship as you'll find most IB application forms do request module break down's and 2.1 in first year. But what do I know?

I never said IB was the epitome of life, I just laughed at your piss poor attitude, struggling to secure that 60%.

[sw3]

(Original post by Jakeh)
You sound super defensive. I actually had a fun filled 1st/2nd/3rd year and managed to sustain 70%+ in everything as i've stated university is not that difficult.

You're fortunate to have a contact that can get you an internship as you'll find most IB application forms do request module break down's and 2.1 in first year. But what do I know?

I never said IB was the epitome of life, I just laughed at your piss poor attitude, struggling to secure that 60%.

so the internship application forms for year 2 are different than spring week ones? and regarding contacts, they are something i don't really want to use. I find that your contacts in banking have a certain pretentiousness about them.

you're right, definately a piss poor attitude, but even though my average was below 60, most of my degree compulsury modules are quite good. Only let down were my 2 optionals which i have to retake. still, never to late to learn and make ammends.


Congrats on your firsts and internships. any tips to share with us aspiring bankers lol?

[eivoquraf]

(Original post by Jakeh)
Not all unis have 0 weighting on first year, it's hardly the UK education system either that means you cannot scrape a 2.1 its not particularly difficult trust me.

If you tell them those reasons so as to why you got your 2.2 goodluck getting a call back. rofl.

I got a 2:2 in my first year (and it counts towards my degree), but I had no trouble with getting an internship/grad offer.

I was asked about it at interview, and again while interning, and I just said I pissed about and didn't work, and they were cool with it.

[Jakeh]

(Original post by eivoquraf)
I got a 2:2 in my first year (and it counts towards my degree), but I had no trouble with getting an internship/grad offer.

I was asked about it at interview, and again while interning, and I just said I pissed about and didn't work, and they were cool with it.

So in your interview you said

"I pissed about and didn't work" did you? Doubt it, you probably fed some lies to make out that you werent at that level.

I'm not saying a 2.2 means no internship, I'm saying telling the interviewer "I couldnt be arsed in first year and pissed about" wont get you a job, 100% :-)

[eivoquraf]

(Original post by Jakeh)
So in your interview you said

"I pissed about and didn't work" did you? Doubt it, you probably fed some lies to make out that you werent at that level.

I'm not saying a 2.2 means no internship, I'm saying telling the interviewer "I couldnt be arsed in first year and pissed about" wont get you a job, 100% :-)

Obviously I didn't phrase it that way, but I basically said that I didn't work hard and spent most of my time socialising. Same story at both the places I applied for and got offer from both.

Admittedly I had other stuff on my CV which I'm sure made up for it, but I like to think they appreciated my honesty.

I think that's better than making some bull**** excuse.

[henriksebastian]

I think it is!
If you say "I didn't work hard enough" sounding serious and as if you regret it, it could work in your favour, especially if you made up on 2nd, 3rd or 4th year.