[Steevee]

Are you surprised?

The EDL are not a racist group in general, no matter how many times you parrot the line, it doesn't become true.

Both the Sikhs and the EDL are angry about the Pakistani/Muslim sex gangs who are grooming and raping girls in the area.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by Steevee)
Are you surprised?

The EDL are not a racist group in general, no matter how many times you parrot the line, it doesn't become true.

Both the Sikhs and the EDL are angry about the Pakistani/Muslim sex gangs who are grooming and raping girls in the area.

im not surpirised because i have seen it before, im questioning whether prevailling opinion is that this is more tommy Robinson and edl band wagon jumping

[anonstudent1]

(Original post by silent ninja)
Not representative. It's not an institutional problem which is how the protest comes across.

I know Sikhs that have told me they are told regularly in the temple that Muslims are their sworn enemy and should be treated with hostility. Thankfully our community isn't as close minded as that. You won't see Despatches programme about it nor would I want to, but anything regarding Muslims is highlighted, usually overblown and always negative.

No there not! Sikh scriptures even contain a few passages of the Koran in. No one with any religious authority would be able to make a sweeping generalisation like that in a Gurdwara without facing serious consequences.

(Although because of history Sikhs do tend to regard Muslims, specifically Pakistani Muslims as there enemy, but not with religious justification, more like they will say at home "I hate those pakis etc")

Im highly sceptical of your freinds claim that Sikhs are told in there temples Muslims are there sworn enemy.

[inspiron1]

(Original post by Bright.Inspiration.)
Lol.

What makes you think muslims don't think the same?

I am not muslim and I've had Muslims making comments against my community in front of me. I have met many muslims who feel that non-muslims are their mortal enemy.

There is hatred on both sides, and part of the reason is the blood filled history that muslims and hindus/sikhs have.

Such as?

[Dubstep Prince]

(Original post by Bright.Inspiration.)
This.

I agree fully with everything you're saying.

Yeah yeah whateves..

[P.Kaur]

(Original post by silent ninja)
I know Sikhs that have told me they are told regularly in the temple that Muslims are their sworn enemy and should be treated with hostility. Thankfully our community isn't as close minded as that. .

Oh dear, they must be quite confused people. Sikh scriptures very clearly say that one should never utter a bad word about another's religion. Furthermore it contains revered passages from Sufi Muslim scholars who are deeply respected for their perspectives. The Sikh religion couldn't be more clear about it's unifying stance on people of other religions, so any Sikh who goes against Sikh teachings in that sense is stupid and following the crowd. People such as yourelf should carry out basic research rather than believing anything that's said to them.

Perhaps such people get confused because, looking back in Sikh history in the time of the Mughal reign in India, millions of Sikhs were being killed by the Muslims for not converting to Islam. Eg, the reign of Babar, Jahangir, Aurangzeb, Wazir Khan. With what's going on today too, some people harbour hatred towards Muslims... such as the protest, which, although rather pointless, was the result of rising frustrations.

[B-Man.]

Those protesters are pretty stupid. When organisations such as the BNP and EDL support these types of inter-ethnic tensions it should at least make you wonder why. Thankfully Sikhs aren't going to join the EDL in any large numbers, perhaps a handful of useful idiots, because the UK's major Gurdwaras and senior figures outside of India have declared their opposition to the EDL.

And to those citing this as evidence of how EDL differs to the BNP need only to look at the history of the BNP to see that this is BS. The BNP did the exact same thing back in 2001 to also appear as a non-racist organisation. So the EDL have invented nothing new here, they have simply stolen the old tactics of the BNP to try to deflect criticisms of bigotry.

Unfortunately the EDL will find a couple of Sikh extremists to join their cause, just as the BNP did with useful idiots like Rajinder Singh, who even tried to set up an Asian friends of the BNP to support the anti-Islamic sentiments expressed by them.

[Bright.Inspiration.]

(Original post by inspiron1)
Such as?

Comments were often made by muslim girls on the way I dressed and how that fact that I wear shorts and skirts makes my religious background disgraceful. Crude jokes were made about religious figures from my religious background by muslims I met - they made many such rude comments about christains, hindus etc as well. I will never generalise and say that all muslims are like this because I do have muslim friends who are respectful, but unfortunately I have met many who are incredibly rude. Well, this is my experience of them.

'Indo-Chinese Food' is correct in everything he is saying.

(Original post by P.Kaur)
Oh dear, they must be quite confused people. Sikh scriptures very clearly say that one should never utter a bad word about another's religion. Furthermore it contains revered passages from Sufi Muslim scholars who are deeply respected for their perspectives. The Sikh religion couldn't be more clear about it's unifying stance on people of other religions, so any Sikh who goes against Sikh teachings in that sense is stupid and following the crowd. People such as yourelf should carry out basic research rather than believing anything that's said to them.

Perhaps such people get confused because, looking back in Sikh history in the time of the Mughal reign in India, millions of Sikhs were being killed by the Muslims for not converting to Islam. Eg, the reign of Babar, Jahangir, Aurangzeb, Wazir Khan. With what's going on today too, some people harbour hatred towards Muslims... such as the protest, which, although rather pointless, was the result of rising frustrations.

This.

[silent ninja]

(Original post by P.Kaur)
Oh dear, they must be quite confused people. Sikh scriptures very clearly say that one should never utter a bad word about another's religion. Furthermore it contains revered passages from Sufi Muslim scholars who are deeply respected for their perspectives. The Sikh religion couldn't be more clear about it's unifying stance on people of other religions, so any Sikh who goes against Sikh teachings in that sense is stupid and following the crowd. People such as yourelf should carry out basic research rather than believing anything that's said to them.

Perhaps such people get confused because, looking back in Sikh history in the time of the Mughal reign in India, millions of Sikhs were being killed by the Muslims for not converting to Islam. Eg, the reign of Babar, Jahangir, Aurangzeb, Wazir Khan. With what's going on today too, some people harbour hatred towards Muslims... such as the protest, which, although rather pointless, was the result of rising frustrations.

I have a very close Sikh friend so I know generally what the religion says and what prejudices people hold. Followers often do not adhere to their supposed principles, so you can't judge a religion based on the fringes. The point being, and the reason I originally said that, was because anything done by a person, be it fraud or sexual assault, by default gets attributed to Islam -- the religion itself-- if the perpetrator is Muslim. The same does not generally hold true for other religions (Breivik?). Islamaphobia is not only rife but there is a strong undercurrent that suggests it is acceptable.

[Jareth]

I'm so tired of people dismissing everything as right-wing propaganda. Britain is facing a rape epidemic like Norway and many other countries with high immigration of Muslims. The victims are typically young white girls and the perpetrators Muslims most commonly those of Pakistani descent. They drug, abduct and use them as sex slaves and you are telling me that the likes of EDL don't have the right to exist? Now Muslims are targeting Sikh's are are mad about it, but apparently whites just have to accept a future where our girls are being raped.


Come on people you know I'm right.

[Bulbasaur]

(Original post by Old Father Time)
They're only supporting this because they think it will help their own cause. If it was a man who was a sikh who did the crime, they would be in the crowd of christians/muslims protesting. Its all racist nonsense. Justice should prevail disregarding religion. Lets face it, if it was a Christian man who committed the crime, he would not be there, and the fact that he is just shows how petty and racist he and the EDL are, who try to bully other religions, particularly Islam. I'd kick EDL and BNP members out of the country and welcome all the law abiding Muslims and people of any religion who come here to work hard and live a free life.

Generally agree with the sentiment of your post, except I always hear people say what I've bolded and it makes no sense at all. Kick them out and send them where exactly?

[Old Father Time]

(Original post by Bulbasaur)
Generally agree with the sentiment of your post, except I always hear people say what I've bolded and it makes no sense at all. Kick them out and send them where exactly?

Anywhere. Just not here, because they're not welcome here and never will be if they maintain their racist views. Let them struggle to find somewhere to live because I believe they would not be welcome in the vast majority of the globe. Then maybe they would better appreciate the benefits of multiculturalism and be more accepting of other races and people from different parts of the world.

[Old Father Time]

(Original post by Jareth)
I'm so tired of people dismissing everything as right-wing propaganda. Britain is facing a rape epidemic like Norway and many other countries with high immigration of Muslims. The victims are typically young white girls and the perpetrators Muslims most commonly those of Pakistani descent. They drug, abduct and use them as sex slaves and you are telling me that the likes of EDL don't have the right to exist? Now Muslims are targeting Sikh's are are mad about it, but apparently whites just have to accept a future where our girls are being raped.


Come on people you know I'm right.

The problem is that groups like the EDL and BNP only care about 'out girls being raped' when the victims are of Muslim or any other background from a different culture or religion from our own. If a white male did the crime, they would not raise a finger, and that, is simply unacceptable to have one rule for some and one rule for another, based only on the race and religion of the criminal. Criminals should be treated as criminals not as white criminals or Muslim criminals. Everyone on the planet should be treated the same, no matter what they race, religion or background is, and to target people due to something they're born with is bullying, idiotic, pathetic, cowardly and racist. GET LOST.

[DanRBlake]

(Original post by . . .)
I don't understand why religion has to come into this matter. I wonder if the response would be different if it was allegation that a young Sikh woman had been sexually assaulted by a Sikh man. Would the Sikhs still go to the streets?

No surprise to the EDL joining anything against Islam and the EDL are for it.

I despair, what a stupid comment! How blindingly obvious does it have to get before people see reality? Religion is a factor if all of the perpetrators are of one faith and all of the victims aren't. It's not rocket science surely. Statistically the likelihood of this situation being a coincidence is virtually impossible.

This denial smacks of political correctness getting in the way of the truth.

[. . .]

(Original post by DanRBlake)
I despair, what a stupid comment! How blindingly obvious does it have to get before people see reality? Religion is a factor if all of the perpetrators are of one faith and all of the victims aren't. It's not rocket science surely. Statistically the likelihood of this situation being a coincidence is virtually impossible.

This denial smacks of political correctness getting in the way of the truth.

I doubt the EDL member were sikh so no they weren't all of one faith.

[DanRBlake]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Tommy Robinson, leader of the EDL was seen in Luton wearing traditional sikh head-covering amoungt a crowd of 300+ angry sikh men protesting the case of a muslim man arressted for suspected sexual assault of a sikh woman.

Is this more spectacular media band-wagon jumping and opportunism by the EDL or the start of a growing alliance in the UK?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

Good on the Sikhs! At least they're community still has strong bonds and unity and will act when an outrage like this is committed on one of their children.

Shame ours has been subjected to decades of measures to destroy these bonds to the extent that our children are being raped by foreign gangs and we can only muster 5 people deminstrating outside a court room. This is a great shame, travesty and not a coincidence, this has been a goal of successive marxist governments not to mention the insideous EU.

I bet many deluded fools will actually point to this apathy as a good thing! Well think on this, when a society has no bonds and fails to stand up united no matter what is done to them, then they're ripe for the picking.

Ask yourself this, would we as a society today be able to stand up and fight against the evils of WW1 & 2 like our ancestors did? I don't think anyone in their right mind could say we would.

[DanRBlake]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
Tommy Robinson, leader of the EDL was seen in Luton wearing traditional sikh head-covering amoungt a crowd of 300+ angry sikh men protesting the case of a muslim man arressted for suspected sexual assault of a sikh woman.

Is this more spectacular media band-wagon jumping and opportunism by the EDL or the start of a growing alliance in the UK?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...st_read_module

You don't sound very knowledgeable on this matter. His no2 is a Sikh and he constantly states his allegance to all communities apart from Islamic extremists. It's an alliance in terms of them having a common enemy and not being too keen on paedophiles from one community raping their children while never going near their own.

Understandable really.

[DanRBlake]

(Original post by Old Father Time)
They're only supporting this because they think it will help their own cause. If it was a man who was a sikh who did the crime, they would be in the crowd of christians/muslims protesting. Its all racist nonsense. Justice should prevail disregarding religion. Lets face it, if it was a Christian man who committed the crime, he would not be there, and the fact that he is just shows how petty and racist he and the EDL are, who try to bully other religions, particularly Islam. I'd kick EDL and BNP members out of the country and welcome all the law abiding Muslims and people of any religion who come here to work hard and live a free life.

What?! Are you serious? Do you really think if Sikhs were responsible the EDL would be protesting with muslims?! Also it never is a Sikh or Christian, that's the point, it's always muslims responsible for this particular crime which is operating in gangs raping children. You mention if a Skih/Christian MAN were responsible but it is gangs of MEN being responsible that defines this particular crime which you fail to register.

As for bullying Islam that's pretty rich, there's many cases of islam bullying everyone else and that's certainly the way the country's going so islam being the victim is farcical.

I also notice you resort to the same old nonsense of hurling accusations of racism at anyone you disagree with/dislike in order to smear your enemies.

Pretty lazy argument don't you think? It's the non violent equivalent to Hitler's brown shirts attacking anyone who opposed their ideology.

[DanRBlake]

(Original post by Perseveranze)
So they're still protesting for someone who may or may not be guilty?

And please provide the evidence (statistics) for this, the recent (I take it past few months) of the "rising number of Muslim men abusing women and children".

Wow you really are in denial aren't you? Why is that?

[DanRBlake]

(Original post by Dubstep Prince)
Well it was said that if you don't pray you are a hypocrite. And the hypocrites are amongst the dwellers of the fire.
And if someone RAPED a women they have broken two sacred laws. Fornication and cruelty to women.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said those who are best to their women, are those closest to him. And if a person goes against this deliberately, they must doubt the prophet, subsequently the religion.
And what would scum like women beaters be doing praying?

YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. THE EDL ARE AGAINST ISLAM BECAUSE THEY DISLIKE ASIAN GANGS WHICH CONTAIN MANY YOUTHFUL MEN FROM ASIAN HERITAGE.

But Hindu's and Sikh's also participate. But they know Muslim's are more vulnerable due to the **** media.
That is why.

Ok then they may not be adhering to everything they should but they are still muslims, they define themselves as muslims etc, so if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....etc; and the fact that it is almost exclusively muslims committing this crime it is reasonable to say there is something in this ideology that is causing or excusing this behaviour.