[Dmon1Unlimited]

(Original post by . . .)
I don't understand why religion has to come into this matter. I wonder if the response would be different if it was allegation that a young Sikh woman had been sexually assaulted by a Sikh man. Would the Sikhs still go to the streets?

No surprise to the EDL joining anything against Islam and the EDL are for it.

This is what came to mind and it pissed me off... Why does religion have to play a part....

[DanRBlake]

(Original post by Indo-Chinese Food)
So noone has ever shown mosques where preachers have been yelling to congregations that non muslims are infidels and are the enemy?

And of course no muslim has ever gone out to kill 'infidels' in suicide attack in the name of islam of course, nor sexually assault non muslim females (as in this case)

You mean children not females, some of their victims are male.

[DanRBlake]

(Original post by user1-4)
And of course no christian has ever raped women in countries such as Vietnam, nor has any sikh ever harmed another man.

Why the false argument/comparisons? Not in the 21st century, in gangs, in an epidemic across a western country

[DanRBlake]

[QUOTE=silent ninja;38434151]I have a very close Sikh friend so I know generally what the religion says and what prejudices people hold. Followers often do not adhere to their supposed principles, so you can't judge a religion based on the fringes. The point being, and the reason I originally said that, was because anything done by a person, be it fraud or sexual assault, by default gets attributed to Islam -- the religion itself-- if the perpetrator is Muslim. The same does not generally hold true for other religions (Breivik?). Islamaphobia is not only rife but there is a strong undercurrent that suggests it is acceptable.[/QUOTE]

A phobia is an irrational fear of something. The threat to our way of life from islam is clear, real and being wary of it is perfectly rational. Painting Islam as the victim again is rich. What about Islamofacism, honour killings, 60% wanting sharia for the UK and threats to our freedoms, womens rights, democracy etc etc etc?

[DanRBlake]

(Original post by Old Father Time)
Anywhere. Just not here, because they're not welcome here and never will be if they maintain their racist views. Let them struggle to find somewhere to live because I believe they would not be welcome in the vast majority of the globe. Then maybe they would better appreciate the benefits of multiculturalism and be more accepting of other races and people from different parts of the world.

And what on earth are these?!

[DanRBlake]

(Original post by Old Father Time)
The problem is that groups like the EDL and BNP only care about 'out girls being raped' when the victims are of Muslim or any other background from a different culture or religion from our own. If a white male did the crime, they would not raise a finger, and that, is simply unacceptable to have one rule for some and one rule for another, based only on the race and religion of the criminal. Criminals should be treated as criminals not as white criminals or Muslim criminals. Everyone on the planet should be treated the same, no matter what they race, religion or background is, and to target people due to something they're born with is bullying, idiotic, pathetic, cowardly and racist. GET LOST.

Another brainwashed drone. You idiotically miss the point again.

There probably wouldn't be much outrage if a white man raped a white girl but if gangs of white men were raping girls then of course other white people would kick off.

Now to give the true comparison; if gangs of exclusively white men were exclusively raping muslim or sikh CHILDREN after drugging them or plying them with alcohol then there would be utter carnage, the streets would be ablaze!

Yet you chose to decry people for expressing opinions, not rioting in the street just discussing this shocking situation. I seriously think there would be bodies in the street if this as the other way round, yet you defend the indefensible and attack people for reacting to this outragous situation of almost exclusively muslim men raping children!

Ask yourself why you have this warped viewpoint, I'll tell you, it's because it's been implanted into your weak, blank canvas of a mind by the PC media, education, justice & political system.

[Old Father Time]

(Original post by DanRBlake)
What?! Are you serious? Do you really think if Sikhs were responsible the EDL would be protesting with muslims?!

Yes, because they don't care about what religion someone is, if its different from theirs they will target it. If they removed all Muslims from the country, they would target Sikhs or Jews. They're simple racists and you cannot defend them, without being associated with their views.

(Original post by DanRBlake)
Also it never is a Sikh or Christian, that's the point, it's always muslims responsible for this particular crime which is operating in gangs raping children. You mention if a Skih/Christian MAN were responsible but it is gangs of MEN being responsible that defines this particular crime which you fail to register.

Incorrect. Many white people in the United Kingdom commit rape and sex crimes every year. The EDL ignore this. Thats not fair, because it creates one rule for some and one for another, and when these rules are created based on race and religion, that is racist.

(Original post by DanRBlake)
As for bullying Islam that's pretty rich, there's many cases of islam bullying everyone else and that's certainly the way the country's going so islam being the victim is farcical.

Bullying occurs on all levels depending on which country you're in, but lets focus on this one, seeing as this is the only country we hold the right to vote in. In this country, far right groups such as the EDL target Islam. That is unquestionable. Therefore, being a citizen of this country, I believe we have the responsibility to address this problem by tackling the EDL racists, and then focus on helping other countries solve their own problems with religion.

(Original post by DanRBlake)
I also notice you resort to the same old nonsense of hurling accusations of racism at anyone you disagree with/dislike in order to smear your enemies.

Pretty lazy argument don't you think? It's the non violent equivalent to Hitler's brown shirts attacking anyone who opposed their ideology.

I disagree. I think if you target a group of people because of their race or religion, then that is unfair and can be classed as racism, and by defending people who hold racist views and carry out racist actions, you therefore risk being associated with racist views. I also don't class racists as my enemy. An enemy deserves some respect as an opposition. Racists however, do not, and therefore I don't waste my time considering them as equal opposition. I simply laugh at their frankly idiotic views and arguments.

[Old Father Time]

(Original post by DanRBlake)
And what on earth are these?!

Brining other cultures to the country brings many advantages. We learn about other religions and cultures, and this helps (most of) us to respect others and be decent human beings. It also boosts the economy by bringing different skills and workers to carry out jobs which are important. Many national heroes have their roots based from abroad and the country in general would be weaker without immigration. There are many more.

[Caribbeantwist]

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[Old Father Time]

(Original post by DanRBlake)
Another brainwashed drone. You idiotically miss the point again.

There probably wouldn't be much outrage if a white man raped a white girl but if gangs of white men were raping girls then of course other white people would kick off.

SO if a gang of white Christian men raped a girl and a gang of Muslim men raped a girl, you think the reaction from the EDL would be the same? No. They would ignore the white men and focus on the Muslim men because it supports their racist views.

(Original post by DanRBlake)
Now to give the true comparison; if gangs of exclusively white men were exclusively raping muslim or sikh CHILDREN after drugging them or plying them with alcohol then there would be utter carnage, the streets would be ablaze!

Yet you chose to decry people for expressing opinions, not rioting in the street just discussing this shocking situation. I seriously think there would be bodies in the street if this as the other way round, yet you defend the indefensible and attack people for reacting to this outragous situation of almost exclusively muslim men raping children!

Ask yourself why you have this warped viewpoint, I'll tell you, it's because it's been implanted into your weak, blank canvas of a mind by the PC media, education, justice & political system.

The point is, it shouldn't matter what religion or race someone is, if gangs of men are raping women, there should be outrage. The EDL create the issue when they allow white men to rape women but when Muslim men rape women, they protest. Thats changing the rules because of religion and race and that is wrong and why the EDL are racist and why they are not welcome in Britain. This country stands for justice and equality, and that means bringing justice to anyone who commits any crime, their religion should not matter one bit. But to the EDL, it does. If they're Muslim, the crime is worth protesting over. If not, well, its okay to be ignored. These views are not acceptable in modern Britain and are not tolerated for by the British public. You are in a minority of idiots who hold idiotic views. The EDL are bullies. Racist bullies. You should be ashamed of yourself for even trying to defend them.

[Caribbeantwist]

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[kaboon-supreme]

(Original post by silent ninja)
I have a very close Sikh friend so I know generally what the religion says and what prejudices people hold. Followers often do not adhere to their supposed principles, so you can't judge a religion based on the fringes. The point being, and the reason I originally said that, was because anything done by a person, be it fraud or sexual assault, by default gets attributed to Islam -- the religion itself-- if the perpetrator is Muslim. The same does not generally hold true for other religions (Breivik?). Islamaphobia is not only rife but there is a strong undercurrent that suggests it is acceptable.

i wound discribe it as islamophopia as that suggests they fear islam. i would call it ISLAM-HATING as that is more clear. it is like anti-semitism in ww2 germanyand all of eaurope.

[SmokeOnTheWater]

There seems to be some confusion about the whole situation in Luton, so as someone born and bred there I hope I can add some context.

Luton has many faiths and communities, and as a result, there are huge cultural differences in the town. This extends to language, how the family unit is run, which school you send your child to, the role of women in society ect ect.

There are parts of Luton where you can hear the call to prayer through many streets, just like a muslim country, and where the culture seems to change. For example, I know of a young asian girl who walking through a predominantly muslim neighborhood in shorts and a t-shirt during summer and was told by an muslim man to 'cover up and respect the religious community.' She promptly told him to mind his own business, but the point stands.

One part of the muslim culture that is reported locally (and I can only say what is believed in some communities of the town), is that some young muslim boys will go for non-muslim girls rather than girls of their own faith. It's thought that they will only go for a muslim girl if they are looking marriage, and if they go looking for anything else, there will be ramifications from their religious community and the girl's family. Some people see this as they go after non muslim girls because they respect them less, and again I cannot be sure that it is true, but that is the feeling of the communities within the town. I think this is the partly behind the Sikh community's anger. They believe that this man went after the girl because she was not muslim, and therefore respected her less, enough to abuse her.

So people saying that 'religion is not the issue here, a criminal is a criminal', need to keep in mind that according to the experiences and beliefs of these communities, it is the cultural attitude towards women, and especially non muslim women that is the problem, and since religion and culture are intertwined here, religion seems to be part of the problem.

I read that during protests/riots in Luton, Sikhs were protecting the mosque whilst muslims prayed and vise versa not so long ago, so it's not as if the two communities were always at each others throats.

I hope it gets sorted out soon without violence, but cultural differences and tensions seem to be rising to the surface alot in Luton lately...