Should the national anthem be changed?
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View Poll Results: Which of these should be the UK national anthem?
God Save the Queen 37 36.27% Land of Hope and Glory 19 18.63% Rule Britannia! 17 16.67% I Vow to Thee, My Country 10 9.80% Other 19 18.63%
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Re: Should the national anthem be changed?that is so cool!!!!!(Original post by CurlyBen)
The slight irony is it's being played by the Renault car! (Might be why one of the guys has his fingers in his ears)
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Re: Should the national anthem be changed?
I'd say England needs its own national anthem, which I think should either be Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory for playing at sporting events where England alone are taking part i.e. World Cup/Commonwealth Games, but God Save The Queen should remain for UK/GB sporting events i.e. the Olympics.
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Re: Should the national anthem be changed?Jerusalem can't be the British national anthem as it's about England. Also it seems a bit weird to use a song named after a city in another country as a national anthem.(Original post by Zürich)
Not British, but I find it strange that the national anthem of a country should be about a person, the Queen. You can simultaneously love Britain and have no love for the Queen so I think GSTQ should only be sung at Royal events. Why not Jerusalem or Land of Hope and Glory which seem much more relevant.
Britain is so much more than the Royal Family.
Also both that and Land of Hope and Glory have religious connotations. Obviously "God Save the Queen" does too, but if you're saying the national anthem should be inclusive of republicans then by rights it should also be inclusive of people who don't believe in god. -
Re: Should the national anthem be changed?The idea is using Jerusalem as a metaphor for being a safe haven and a great place to live. The song is directly about England and even uses it by name. On a more humanity scale, it shows that we as a species are capable of making our home what Jerusalem was back in the day. People outside of England are inspired by it as well.(Original post by Howard)
I've never really understood the reason behind this as clearly "Jerusalem wasn't builded here"
It's barely a metaphor, it's literally saying 'I will not give up until we've built ''Jerusalem'' here'. Even the manner of how you fight for it doesn't necessarily mean violence.(Original post by Jerusalem)
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land.
I'm not sure of the history but my interpretation is that it relates to the crusades and to say that we didn't really need the literal city, Jerusalem, we're happy with what we've got, which relates to the idea of being happy with yourself even if you didn't win or succeed and not to make yourself suffer over it.
For all you rockers out there, here's a version which sounds very Bruce Dickinson-esque and slightly Brian May-ish:
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Re: Should the national anthem be changedGod Save The Queen goes on about crushing rebellious Scots and Rule Britania only refers to England. As far as I'm concerned none on your list are appropriate(Original post by ukip72)
Is Jerusalem not an English rather than British song, and therefore not appropriate for the union? -
Re: Should the national anthem be changedThis is just plain wrong.(Original post by Kiss)
God Save The Queen goes on about crushing rebellious Scots and Rule Britania only refers to England. As far as I'm concerned none on your list are appropriate
God Save the Queen does not contain a verse about crushing rebellious Scots at all. That was a temporary additional verse that was added during the period of the second Jacobite Rebellion, it isn't in the song at all anymore.
Also, Rule Britannia was written by a Scot and doesn't refer only to England.Last edited by The_Mighty_Bush; 06-07-2012 at 16:58. -
Re: Should the national anthem be changedAll are appropriate, do your research.(Original post by Kiss)
God Save The Queen goes on about crushing rebellious Scots and Rule Britania only refers to England. As far as I'm concerned none on your list are appropriate -
Re: Should the national anthem be changed?Genius!(Original post by Snagprophet)
For all you rockers out there, here's a version which sounds very Bruce Dickinson-esque and slightly Brian May-ish:
Rule Britannia never refers to England.(Original post by Kiss)
God Save The Queen goes on about crushing rebellious Scots and Rule Britania only refers to England. -
Re: Should the national anthem be changedA temporary verse, also note the noun phrase 'rebellious Scots' to distinguish as opposed to 'Scots' in general.(Original post by Kiss)
God Save The Queen goes on about crushing rebellious Scots and Rule Britania only refers to England. As far as I'm concerned none on your list are appropriate