Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?
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Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?Hey Guys;
Well as you know, Islam is getting a name for itself now in British media and not a name that anyone particularly wants. Anyway, I was just wondering but you know how a lot of people are claiming that Islam is clashing with British views, one basic claim is that how Halal meat is being basically forced upon us and the food is not even labelled "Halal" which causes a large degree of outcry for people claiming they don't want halal but don't have a choice (unless pork).
I think people would like to see it labelled as Halal myself just as eggs are labelled battery or free range.
Do you think that Britain needs to change or Islam needs to compromise with British values. Provide your own views/beliefs on this.
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?As an Atheist, I feel the religion (not just Islam - any religion) should change to adapt to society.
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?Well, I'm an Atheist and I don't think the religion should change itself.
I don't think Britain should change, either.
Britain has its own values and Islam has its own values. There needs to be some sort of compromise. No religion should force itself and its values/traditions/rules whatever on non-followers, but if you choose to live in a country that does not dominantly follow that religion, you have to accept that most the people living there won't be living their lives according to your religion.
The thing about the halal meat annoys me; people need to know what they are eating so it should be labelled. Muslims won't want to eat meat that is not halal and non-muslims may not want to eat things that are halal.
I'd say it's more an issue of culture. In which case I think anyone living in Britain should accept the way British culture/society is and not try to change it to the way their culture is, wherever they may be from.Last edited by RolyBholi; 01-07-2012 at 22:54. -
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?RE the part in bold, a business owner chooses the meat (they supply) to be halal or non-halal based on their customer base.(Original post by Scienceisgood)
Hey Guys;
Well as you know, Islam is getting a name for itself now in British media and not a name that anyone particularly wants. Anyway, I was just wondering but you know how a lot of people are claiming that Islam is clashing with British views, one basic claim is that how Halal meat is being basically forced upon us and the food is not even labelled "Halal" which causes a large degree of outcry for people claiming they don't want halal but don't have a choice (unless pork).
Do you think that Britain needs to change or Islam needs to compromise with British values. Provide your own views/beliefs on this.
If their customer base is primarily Muslim, then to maximise profits they ensure the meat is halal. If their customers are mainly non-Muslim, then of course they would choose non-Halal meat; why would they supply Halal meat if it could cause them to lose money?
There is no hidden conspiracy at all, its up to the business owners. If they want to force halal food onto everyone, then they will be losing a lot of customers who aren't Musim. -
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?British vlaues arnt changing for islam or any faith - the laws are clearly stated and if islamic edicts, whatever they may be contravene them, then they are illegal. Hence where in some countries its legal ( to an extent) to beat ones wife(Original post by Scienceisgood)
Hey Guys;
Well as you know, Islam is getting a name for itself now in British media and not a name that anyone particularly wants. Anyway, I was just wondering but you know how a lot of people are claiming that Islam is clashing with British views, one basic claim is that how Halal meat is being basically forced upon us and the food is not even labelled "Halal" which causes a large degree of outcry for people claiming they don't want halal but don't have a choice (unless pork).
Do you think that Britain needs to change or Islam needs to compromise with British values. Provide your own views/beliefs on this.
under islamic law or apply differntiation of inheritences based on sex would not be legal under our law.
the halal issue is simply the fact that afaik, theres currently no law requireing suppliers to describe the method of slaughter. -
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?I think the point is people are buying meat under false pretences because they do not know if their meat is Halal or not and thus should be labelled. Apparently 1/4 pieces of meat sold in Britain now is Halal and Muslims only make up 3.2% of the population.(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
RE the part in bold, a business owner chooses the meat (they supply) to be halal or non-halal based on their customer base.
If their customer base is primarily Muslim, then to maximise profits they ensure the meat is halal. If their customers are mainly non-Muslim, then of course they would choose non-Halal meat; why would they supply Halal meat if it could cause them to lose money?
There is no hidden conspiracy at all, its up to the business owners. If they want to force halal food onto everyone, then they will be losing a lot of customers who aren't Musim.
Like stating whether or not eggs are battery farmed or free range. -
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It's being killed in a cruel way for absolutely no reason.(Original post by cfizzle)
I don't mind having Halal food because either way, it's being killed for eating isn't it? Swings and roundabouts..
As long as someone isn't coming up to me and threatening to kill me if I don't convert to Islam, I'm alright
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?Actually Wikipedia states 900 years ago(Original post by AkaJetson)
Neither need to change.
Islam has been the religion of Mali for about 1000 years. -
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?This, end of story.(Original post by PurpleMonkeyDishwasher)
Islam should adapt to the rules set by society, society should never have to adapt to the rules set by religion. -
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?As a mulim I disagree with having to adapt my beliefs in ANY way. I will only follow the laws and rules set out by my Lord and the ones brought to mankind by my beloved prophet Muhammed (may the peace and blessings of my Lord forever be upon him and may he intercede for his followers on that day of intercession. Amen). Rather i think Britain needs a few changes for us muslims. We do have a freedom of expression and belief, to say that Islam must make compromises is defying our rights to this freedom. If the western world can make a mockery of Islam in the name of freedom of expression, then we sure as hell can have our freedom of belief and expression in whichever legal way we wish.
I also take offence from your first sentence. I am proud to call myself a muslim, as is any other true muslim. This is because the true islam that i experience, every day, and fell in love with is the most beautiful, peaceful and tolerent religion i have looked into.
Just offerening my view on the issue.
May My Lord guide all his people to his true path and protect his people in these dark and difficult times... Amen!
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?Islam must work itself around the UK, not the other way round. If we ban burqas we ban burqas and the outsiders either respect us our **** off back to where they came from or alternatively just go somewhere where it isn't banned.
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?Source for the bold part? Well if its NOT labelled as Halal, then its not helping Muslims either. Muslim's don't generally buy meat unless its labelled as halal.. Maybe Halal is cheaper so thats why the supermarkets get it. Its the only excuse I can think of for selling Halal meat without labelling it..(Original post by Scienceisgood)
I think the point is people are buying meat under false pretences because they do not know if their meat is Halal or not and thus should be labelled. Apparently 1/4 pieces of meat sold in Britain now is Halal and Muslims only make up 3.2% of the population.
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?Lol what if they are from here? Where do they ''***'' off back to? It appears that most anti-Islam posters on TSR are closet racists. Some of you claim that White people have a higher IQ, some tell Muslims to ''f*ck'' back home et..(Original post by Snagprophet)
Islam must work itself around the UK, not the other way round. If we ban burqas we ban burqas and the outsiders either respect us our **** off back to where they came from or alternatively just go somewhere where it isn't banned. -
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Re: Does Britain need to change for Islam or vice versa?Pressumably to the countries they were born unless they were born here in which nothing is stopping them from moving somewhere which panders to their silly rules.(Original post by xXxiKillxXx)
Lol what if they are from here? Where do they ''***'' off back to? It appears that most anti-Islam posters on TSR are closet racists. Some of you claim that White people have a higher IQ, some tell Muslims to ''f*ck'' back home et..
Throwing the term 'racist' around really doesn't do you any favours, particularly when no 'race' is even being discussed.
