[Howard]

Britain needs to change to accomodate this third world backward religion.

[Snagprophet]

(Original post by AkaJetson)
Equally you could say that people who don't like our decisions such as to not ban the burqa can **** off and go somewhere where it is banned

Well firstly this is a Christian country, Christian traditions and stuff. It's holidays are based on Christian holidays and school terms are worked around Christian holidays. This is our country, therefore we make the rules.

[silent ninja]

(Original post by Scienceisgood)
I think the point is people are buying meat under false pretences because they do not know if their meat is Halal or not and thus should be labelled. Apparently 1/4 pieces of meat sold in Britain now is Halal and Muslims only make up 3.2% of the population.

Like stating whether or not eggs are battery farmed or free range.

It's actually pretty hard to find halal meat. The term "halal" is the most abused amongst Muslims. Take-aways claiming to sell halal food often simply don't. They are appealing to their customers and nobody questions it and I've seen it many times before where they get caught out. Stunned meat is often haram polluted by the animals that die from the stunning process. Much of the meat in Saudi Arabia is actually not halal and Islamic scholars discourage it's consumption (usually from Brazil ie. cheap) -- Saudi Arabia ffs!! So don't worry about the UK. Funny how certain Nandos claim to be halal whilst others don't, yet all the meat is from the same supplier.

I don't trust halal labels. HMC is the way forward.

OP you are simply a victim of the media onslaught on Islam. Muslims haven't changed since the 90's and back then we had a stiffy for the Russians. It's incredible how the masses are so easily manipulated via fear.

[Fg=GM1M2/r^2]

(Original post by Snagprophet)
Islam must work itself around the UK, not the other way round. If we ban burqas we ban burqas and the outsiders either respect us our **** off back to where they came from or alternatively just go somewhere where it isn't banned.

Well i was born in England... So i dont have my 'own' country. Also as i have already said, we have a freedom of expression, noone can tell us what to and not to wear, its morally wrong! Dont mean to argue here, just offering my view.
Regards

[Snagprophet]

(Original post by Fg=GM1M2/r^2)
Well i was born in England... So i dont have my 'own' country. Also as i have already said, we have a freedom of expression, noone can tell us what to and not to wear, its morally wrong! Dont mean to argue here, just offering my view.
Regards

I will quote you what I said above to someone else who couldn't be bothered to read my post

(Original post by Snagprophet)
Pressumably to the countries they were born unless they were born here in which nothing is stopping them from moving somewhere which panders to their silly rules.

I hope that clears that up.

[silent ninja]

(Original post by Nick100)
Our liberties must not be compromised for religious beliefs.

Yet practicing your religion is a liberty so you've basically said nothing. It's complicated.

[hopingtobeadentist]

Hey.

[pshewitt1]

(Original post by ak137)
Britain doesnt need to change.
Islam doesnt need to change.

They both need to change, they both have multiple problems unless you like living in debt with a benefits system that needs revising

[Fg=GM1M2/r^2]

(Original post by Snagprophet)
I will quote you what I said above to someone else who couldn't be bothered to read my post



I hope that clears that up.

Indeed it does, but what about our freedom to wear what we want? You cant deny that to us? what if we want to live here and continue wearing burqas? Theres nothing that can be done! We are all just going to have to learn to get along... peacefully and respect one anothers beliefs, it is the only solution to the problem

[Politricks]

(Original post by Fg=GM1M2/r^2)
As a mulim I disagree with having to adapt my beliefs in ANY way. I will only follow the laws and rules set out by my Lord and the ones brought to mankind by my beloved prophet Muhammed (may the peace and blessings of my Lord forever be upon him and may he intercede for his followers on that day of intercession. Amen). Rather i think Britain needs a few changes for us muslims.

Yes, Britain should change its laws so men can marry 6 years olds? So it's legal for apostates to be murdered? So we can start lashing those who fornicate? So domestic abuse is legal? So homosexuality is illegal?

Is that what you want, Mr. Islam-is-so-perfect?

[silent ninja]

(Original post by Snagprophet)
I will quote you what I said above to someone else who couldn't be bothered to read my post



I hope that clears that up.

Every community is allowed to challenge the status quo, be it gay marriage or the EDL and anti-immigration, but for some reasons Muslims are not? Why? Not saying Britain should adopt Shari'a law but the freedom to challenge is a liberty that is afforded to everybody. It sounds rather hypocritical and islamaphobic. "Go elsewhere" is a pathetic argument since most Muslims are born here and have as much right as anybody else.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by silent ninja)
Yet practicing your religion is a liberty so you've basically said nothing. It's complicated.

Its made more complicated by the fact that Britain being a liberal democracy, which is what we all wnat and should be able to practice (including the right to be a muslim)- and the fact that to practice islam is the oppossite of practicing a liberal democracy, as can be seen in most countires that actually operate genuine islamic law.

[Dubstep Prince]

What ****ing issue do you non-muslims have with eating halah meat?!
The halal way is slitting the throat which is a quick and painless death.

Oh, but it's the Muslims making unreasonable demands

[CodeRed]

Eggs are halal anyway, you don't have to kill them in a certain way, they just pop out the chicken lol. As a muslim i believe that none has to change for the other- of course due to a large amount of muslims in britian, mosques/halal meat shops etc are in the community and are available to muslims for use but that doesnt mean that you should go around labelling eveything. Usually when i go shopping, i usually just check to see whether something is suitable for vegetarians because that implies no meat products have been used.

[Fg=GM1M2/r^2]

(Original post by Politricks)
Yes, Britain should change its laws so men can marry 6 years olds? So it's legal for apostates to be murdered? So we can start lashing those who fornicate?

Is that what you want, Mr. Islam-is-so-perfect?

Marrying 6 year olds? You sure about that, nope not at all, it wasnt. And even if it was at a young age, Aishah didnt go to live with the prophet till a mature age anyways ‘Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion,’ (Quran 109:6) and, ‘Whosoever will, let him believe, and whosever will, let him disbelieve,’ (Quran18:29) and, ‘There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is distinct from error’ (Quran 2:256).” These verses i think are sufficient to show that no actually we are free to change religion. Apostates being killed may have been a cultural thing, but my Lord clearly tells us... There is no compulsion in religion And well maybe not lashing them, but indeed a punishment that agrees with the state. Lashing agreed with the people of that time... not today We must look at the time those people lived in... its unfair the way put it Peace be with you

[Scienceisgood]

(Original post by Dubstep Prince)
What ****ing issue do you non-muslims have with eating halah meat?!
The halal way is slitting the throat which is a quick and painless death.

Oh, but it's the Muslims making unreasonable demands

I think it is people's views on the distress posed unto the animal upon/prior to slaughter than the death people don't like.

[SubAtomic]

(Original post by thecrimsonidol)
As an Atheist, I feel the religion (not just Islam - any religion) should change to adapt to society.

Religion should certainly be kept out of Government and policy.

And I can't say I care much for the idea of faith schools at all.

This sums it up for me too.

Do unto others as you would have them do to you. Suppose you have to be willing to accept a few things for this ideology to work though.

[Indo-Chinese Food]

(Original post by silent ninja)
It's actually pretty hard to find halal meat. The term "halal" is the most abused amongst Muslims. Take-aways claiming to sell halal food often simply don't. They are appealing to their customers and nobody questions it and I've seen it many times before where they get caught out. Stunned meat is often haram polluted by the animals that die from the stunning process. Much of the meat in Saudi Arabia is actually not halal and Islamic scholars discourage it's consumption (usually from Brazil ie. cheap) -- Saudi Arabia ffs!! So don't worry about the UK. Funny how certain Nandos claim to be halal whilst others don't, yet all the meat is from the same supplier.

I don't trust halal labels. HMC is the way forward.

OP you are simply a victim of the media onslaught on Islam. Muslims haven't changed since the 90's and back then we had a stiffy for the Russians. It's incredible how the masses are so easily manipulated via fear.

i would take your rant a step further and advise you that there is no diferrence between halal and non halal meat - apart from the case that animals were bled to death from their juglar while a bearded man chants some arabic and walks away with a cheque for the priviledge. So what does it matter whether muslims are eating 'halal' meat or not, so long as they beleive that they are.

[Fg=GM1M2/r^2]

(Original post by Ham22)
Enjoy beating your wife and stoning homosexuals in your lord's name. PBUH. xx

The beating of one's wife is not allowed. This was aproved by the state that islam had risen in, 1400 years ago... not today, Im more than sure the same happened here to women back in those times. You dont look at that though do you... no course not. I urge that you look at the times in which these events and rulings were made. In the 21st century.... in this state, it rarely happens

[DynamicSyngery]

(Original post by Fg=GM1M2/r^2)
The beating of one's wife is not allowed. This was aproved by the state that islam had risen in, 1400 years ago... not today, Im more than sure the same happened here to women back in those times. You dont look at that though do you... no course not. I urge that you look at the times in which these events and rulings were made. In the 21st century.... in this state, it rarely happens

Islamic law is supposed to be timeless and unchanging, since it is handed down by God, who is infallible. English law makes no such pretensions to infallibility so there are no problems with changing it.

I don't think that most/any Islamic states permit homosexuality today; I don't know about wife-beating.