[prog2djent]

Don't know who he is then here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geert_Wilders

How is this man a fascist, will someone remind me?

Lets have a look at some of his policies, these are lifted from his wiki page and his own website, I will enbolden what I think may be verging on social conservativism or "fascism", and underline what is actually socially liberal, and indeed, economically left. And those in italics in the middle.


Laws guaranteeing the equality of the cultural dominance of the Christian, Jewish and humanist traditions.
A five year moratorium on the immigration of non-Western foreigners who intend to stay in the Netherlands. Foreign residents will no longer have the right to vote in municipal elections.
A five-year moratorium on the founding of new mosques and Islamic schools; a permanent ban on preaching in any language other than Dutch.
Radical mosques will be closed and radical Muslims will be expelled.
Restoration of educational standards, with an emphasis on the educational value of the family.
Referenda on police chief elections.
Restoration and rewards for teachers, policemen, health care workers and military personnel.
Instead of complicated reorganisation, a more accessible and humane health care system, especially for elderly citizens

For years he has distanced himself from genuine far-right politicians

""My allies are not Le Pen or Haider..."

"We'll never join up with the Fascists and Mussolinis of Italy. I'm very afraid of being linked with the wrong, rightist, Fascist groups."

He is a well known supporter of gay rights and gay marriage, regarding Islam a threat to such liberalism

"I believe we have been too tolerant of the intolerant,"

"We should learn to become intolerant of the intolerant."

I will talk more about more techincal views, Theo Van Gogh, Pim Fortuyn, Hirisi Ali ... depending on where the thread goes.

As far as I can see it, Wilders is trying to preserve the long history of liberalism in Holland by encouraging a soft quasi-nationalist attitude, of liberalism, against socially conservative and authoritarian threats from outside, or internal social engineering, via multiculturalism.

[prog2djent]

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[chefdave]

Geert Wilders is a bit of a hero. Lets face it, whenever the left hear something they don't like their initial reaction is always to respond with cries of; racist! fascist! Islamophobe! But its important to ignore their moral grandstanding and find out for yourself whether there's anything in the initial claims. When Wilders says that Islam and democracy are incompatible for example he's only echoing the sentiment of Muslims who protest him all over the world with placards reading: "Islam will dominate the world, freedom can go to hell" etc. In other words he's bravely speaking the truth, not trying to stir up hatred for the sake of it.

[Arbolus]

It's his attitude towards Islam that draws the most criticism. Among other things, he's suggested banning the Qur'an, introducing a heavy tax on headscarves, and compelling Muslim (as opposed to any other religion) immigrants to leave the country. He doesn't seem to recognise the existence of moderate Islam, and assumes that it's not a religion but a "totalitarian political ideology such as communism or fascism". In other words, he's trying to eliminate Islam from the Netherlands for no other reason than his own hate.

[Dhaal_Chawal]

Wilders has campaigned to stop what he views as the "Islamisation of the Netherlands".

This is what makes him a moron. There is no 'Islamisation of the Netherlands'.

[democracyforum]

He's a fear monger, nothing more.

Front National are the real deal when it comes to the far right, they do have genuine concerns

[prog2djent]

(Original post by democracyforum)
He's a fear monger, nothing more.

Front National are the real deal when it comes to the far right, they do have genuine concerns

Well done, genius. Geert wilders, a dutch politician and journalist who's party is the freedom party, a right wing liberal party, and front National, the French nationalist party who are somewhere between UKIP and the BNP.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Dhaal_Chawal)
Wilders has campaigned to stop what he views as the "Islamisation of the Netherlands".

This is what makes him a moron. There is no 'Islamisation of the Netherlands'.

Ignoring the fact Sharia is being implemented in various strongholds, 20,000 rapes, Theo van Gogh, a sharp rise in violent and gang crime, various terror plots unfolded, the Cartoonist, lots and lots of people in police protection, people having to flee the country, Hirisi Ali, Pim Fortuyn ... I could go on, these events would have never occured if Islam had not have been given a foothold and apologists would not have been in power.

Its interesting to note that no-one has tried to tell me Geert is a fascist yet.

[NuckingFut]

The same way that Bin Laden wasnt a communist.

[danny111]

(Original post by democracyforum)
He's a fear monger, nothing more.

Front National are the real deal when it comes to the far right, they do have genuine concerns

Fear monger?

Theo van Gogh was murdered. Pim Fortuyn was murdered. I don't think there is any mongering in that. All those two did was voice their dislike about the religion and it got them killed?

Let's face it, Islam is a backward religion. It is 600 years younger than Christianity roughly, and guess where that was 600 years ago? Spanish Inquisition. Dark Ages, extorting people for money so that they could "go to heaven", witch hunts, etc...

Until you stop brainwashing kids at a young, impressionable age, no good will come out of religion. People have to fund to it themselves if they want to. What is the difference between a religion and a sect? One is acknowledged? How many people do you think would agree that sects are poisonous?

[Steevee]

He's not, of course.

The problem is he doesn't fit in with the Liberal media agenda, and as such is painted as a Facist. It is clear to anyone that takes a look that a lot of his policies are founded off the back of problems that are caused by immigration, in particular Islamic immigration.

[Dhaal_Chawal]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Ignoring the fact Sharia is being implemented in various strongholds, 20,000 rapes, Theo van Gogh, a sharp rise in violent and gang crime, various terror plots unfolded, the Cartoonist, lots and lots of people in police protection, people having to flee the country, Hirisi Ali, Pim Fortuyn ... I could go on, these events would have never occured if Islam had not have been given a foothold and apologists would not have been in power.

Its interesting to note that no-one has tried to tell me Geert is a fascist yet.

There is no 'Islamisation of the Netherlands'. I laugh at your claims of 'Sharia strongholds'. Please provide evidence of places where Sharia has replaced the official Netherlands law. Violence and gang crime is not 'Islamisation' how could you even think that? Your posts get more stupid as time goes on. Is gang crime in London evidence of 'Africanisation'? Terror plots do not mean 'Islamisation'. Hirsi Ali is a Somali immigrant who was found out to be a liar, who entered the country illegally, what's your point? I'm sorry but as much as you want it to happen, the Netherlands and Europe will not become 'Islamisised'.

If it makes you feel better no, he is not a fascist.
'If Islam had not been given a foothold' By that you mean if muslim immigrants weren't allowed in the country. I'm sorry but countries should not discriminate based on race and religion (no doubt you'd like that). Stop reading sites like 'JihadWatch' and Anders Breveiks manifesto and get in the real world. I bet you've watched that infamous 'Muslim demographics' video on Youtube and think it's real.

/rantover

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Dhaal_Chawal)
I laugh at your claims of 'Sharia strongholds'.

Please provide evidence of places where Sharia has replaced the official Netherlands law.

Terror plots do not mean 'Islamisation'.

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I feel the parts I've enboldened highlight the contradiction.

And no, terror do not mean "Islamisation", but they are a feature of it.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Dhaal_Chawal)
By that you mean if muslim immigrants weren't allowed in the country. I'm sorry but countries should not discriminate based on race and religion (no doubt you'd like that).
bet you've watched that infamous

Sigh,

I've never said muslim immgrants shouldn't be allowed into the country, in fact, I would like to see a very relaxed immigration policy. Stop assuming. And you are assuming again, basing immigration on race (I was waiting for race to be brought up, despite the fact it was never mentioned or even relavent, you just can't help yourself with populist buzzwording can you?) is disgusting.

I have watched that video and understand that it is junk and was made by some pro-christian nationalist organisation of whom I cannot remember the name, great assuming tactics again. Trying to guess what an oponent thinks is the worst form of arguing, and indeed, structuring argument based upon what they think is widely recognised as being junk. Mises tried it and failed, everyone knows what his worst book was.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by Steevee)
He's not, of course.

The problem is he doesn't fit in with the Liberal media agenda, and as such is painted as a Facist. It is clear to anyone that takes a look that a lot of his policies are founded off the back of problems that are caused by immigration, in particular Islamic immigration.

The liberal-left hate it when the sort of people they use as political tools argue against their agenda,

Have you heard of Irshad Manji, Horowitz, Hamid Tawfiq, even the leader of Hamas's son?

[Steevee]

(Original post by prog2djent)
The liberal-left hate it when the sort of people they use as political tools argue against their agenda,

Have you heard of Irshad Manji, Horowitz, Hamid Tawfiq, even the leader of Hamas's son?

Only Irshad Manji to be honest. Are the others the same sort of story?

[DorianGrayism]

Isn't a Fascist in the same sense Hitler and Co were.

He just hates Muslims....Sorry...not "most Muslims" according to him...

Wants to deport Muslims Citizens. Wants to ban the Qu'ran. Wants to ban the headscarf.

Call it what you want.

[Arekkusu]

He can't be a good guy though can he, that is a CLASSIC supervillain name.

[prog2djent]

(Original post by DorianGrayism)
Isn't a Fascist in the same sense Hitler and Co were.

He just hates Muslims....Sorry...not "most Muslims" according to him...

Wants to deport Muslims Citizens. Wants to ban the Qu'ran. Wants to ban the headscarf.

Call it what you want.

Authoritarianism concentrated into one or two specific areas?

[DorianGrayism]

(Original post by prog2djent)
Authoritarianism concentrated into one or two specific areas?

Well, one area....or one religious group.