[Formerly Helpful_C]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
I would say it is wrong to dislike someone simply because of their skin color, or their gender, or their sexual orientation because there is no real basis to dislike them on these factors alone. You can dislike a homosexual because of how he acts or speaks or what he chooses to talk about...but merely because they are homosexual is rather ignorant as not all homosexuals are the same and wanting to have sex with a member of the same sex isn't really relevant to whether or not you could/will/do like someone. The same goes for race and gender as well.

Your post is for the ideal world. Mine is for the real world.

(Un)fortunately - delete as necessary.

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by Formerly Helpful_C)
Your post is for the ideal world. Mine is for the real world.

(Un)fortunately - delete as necessary.

I see no reason not to apply mine to the real world. As it is true.

[TaylorGang_4]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
Whilst that may be your opinion it has been shown over and over again that sexual orientation is not a choice. There is no evidence to suggest it is a 'choice' or that it can change (which if it were a choice you should be able to do).

There is no evidence to suggest that it is not a choice. Nobody is born 'gay'. They simply become attracted to there own gender due to psychological imbalances. This is my opinion.

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by TaylorGang_4)
There is no evidence to suggest that it is not a choice. Nobody is born 'gay'. They simply become attracted to there own gender due to psychological imbalances. This is my opinion.

There is. There are lots of studies which indicate it is not a choice. BUT even assuming what you said to be true that wouldn't make it a 'choice' but rather a mental illness, which it is not. This has also been shown time and time again. So while you may hold onto your opinion, know that it is not backed by any evidence and is therefore not credible.

[Kage]

Society in my opinion changes so fast, it really wouldn't surprise me.
That said, things could get a whole lot worse too.

[Norton1]

(Original post by TaylorGang_4)
There is no evidence to suggest that it is not a choice. Nobody is born 'gay'. They simply become attracted to there own gender due to psychological imbalances. This is my opinion.

But it's only your opinion because you're an idiot, yes?

[TaylorGang_4]

(Original post by Lord-Voldemort)
Did you choose to be straight?

If homosexuality is a choice, could you choose to be gay tomorrow morning? Forgive my graphicness, but could you choose to get hard if a man started sexually touching you?

I have chosen to be straight. There have not been any psychological changes which may have contributed to me converting to homosexuality. And to your claim of choosing to get 'hard'. People are not instantly aroused, however their feelings may change when they are given the opportunity to think about this incident, therefore their feelings may change, this then simply becomes a choice.

[2ndClass]

No, maybe homophobia towards Lesbians but not men.

[SpiggyTopes]

(Original post by TaylorGang_4)
Homosexuality is simply a choice in my opinion, however a person does not decide their race or gender. Therefore racism and sexism should be taken more seriously then homophobia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCAllQgS0

[SnoochToTheBooch]

yes, I've sensed a big change in attitudes over the past maybe 5-10 years. homophobia is becoming the new racism.

[Kiss]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
I would say it is wrong to dislike someone simply because of their skin color, or their gender, or their sexual orientation because there is no real basis to dislike them on these factors alone. You can dislike a homosexual because of how he acts or speaks or what he chooses to talk about...but merely because they are homosexual is rather ignorant as not all homosexuals are the same and wanting to have sex with a member of the same sex isn't really relevant to whether or not you could/will/do like someone. The same goes for race and gender as well.

I agree but I'm not going to start discriminating against people for having that opinion. People with biggoted views may not have rational basis to their beliefs but I'm not going to shun them for expressing their opinions.

[Lord-Voldemort]

(Original post by TaylorGang_4)
I have chosen to be straight. There have not been any psychological changes which may have contributed to me converting to homosexuality. And to your claim of choosing to get 'hard'. People are not instantly aroused, however their feelings may change when they are given the opportunity to think about this incident, therefore their feelings may change, this then simply becomes a choice.

If homosexuality is a result of 'psychological changes' or 'imbalance', then it is obviously isn't a choice if you are implying that these factors induce homosexuality?

Okay then. If you were to spend 6 months with a man in a relationship setting with numerous sexual advances, could you choose to be sexually aroused and become sexually attracted to that man? Could you choose to find him sexually attractive, have sex with him and fall in love with him? If you couldn't, then you're not even supporting your own hypothesis.

[TaylorGang_4]

(Original post by Norton1)
But it's only your opinion because you're an idiot, yes?

This shows your ignorance, freedom of expression is something which is allowed. Just because you do not agree with my opinion it does not give you the right to criticize me. This is social incoherency at it's highest level, no wonder people are afraid to express their views.

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by Kiss)
I agree but I'm not going to start discriminating against people for having that opinion. People with biggoted views may not have rational basis to their beliefs but I'm not going to shun them for expressing their opinions.

If these views and beliefs can be said to be irrational...I'm not sure why we should tolerate or not discourage such beliefs. They can be arguable be said to be negative and counterproductive, which are not good things...so why allow them to prevail? Why not encourage the change? Just to be clear I am not advocating forcing people to think differently but rather discouraging people from thinking in such a manner.

[TaylorGang_4]

(Original post by Lord-Voldemort)
If homosexuality is a result of 'psychological changes' or 'imbalance', then it is obviously isn't a choice if you are implying that these factors induce homosexuality?

Okay then. If you were to spend 6 months with a man in a relationship setting with numerous sexual advances, could you choose to be sexually aroused and become sexually attracted to that man? Could you choose to find him sexually attractive, have sex with him and fall in love with him? If you couldn't, then you're not even supporting your own hypothesis.

Yes you could.

[Kiss]

(Original post by RandZul'Zorander)
If these views and beliefs can be said to be irrational...I'm not sure why we should tolerate or not discourage such beliefs. They can be arguable be said to be negative and counterproductive, which are not good things...so why allow them to prevail? Why not encourage the change? Just to be clear I am not advocating forcing people to think differently but rather discouraging people from thinking in such a manner.

People who often say that use unethical methods to 'discourage' others not to think what they want, which adversely becomes forcing people not to believe certain things.

[AdamPug306]

No, there will always be people who disagree. Whilst the government continues to legalise more and more aspects of homosexuality (adoption/marriage etc) the numbers will only increase. Just for the record, I'm against gay marriage and have signed the Coalition for Marriage petition.

Furthermore, 'homophobia' is a ridiculous word, I do not have a phobia of gays, I merely disagree with their lifestyle.

[Norton1]

(Original post by TaylorGang_4)
This shows your ignorance, freedom of expression is something which is allowed. Just because you do not agree with my opinion it does not give you the right to criticize me. This is social incoherency at it's highest level, no wonder people are afraid to express their views.

There is a difference between you having the right to express your view and the right not to be criticised for it. Your view is not only offensive to the majority of people but contradicted by the available science.

I think you think being gay is wrong for whatever reason, and are trying to justify your position. Personally I can think of few things I'd enjoy less than having sex with a man, but that doesn't make it a mental illness.

[Tahooper]

Probably not

[RandZul'Zorander]

(Original post by TaylorGang_4)
I have chosen to be straight. There have not been any psychological changes which may have contributed to me converting to homosexuality. And to your claim of choosing to get 'hard'. People are not instantly aroused, however their feelings may change when they are given the opportunity to think about this incident, therefore their feelings may change, this then simply becomes a choice.

When precisely did you 'choose' to be straight then? And why? Because your claim that homosexuality is due to 'psychological changes' is again not supported by evidence. So really the only option is you freely chose at a point in time and should therefore be able to choose otherwise. And again if you can choose why is it that there is no evidence that people can change their sexual orientation?