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  1. theonefrombrum's Avatar
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    Biting point and finding it
    Hi, I've had about 6/7 lessons so far and overall I'm happy with how things are progressing. I can drive to a good standard and am confident on the roads. Thing is, I've got a slight problem and it's that I sometimes don't get the bite properly when I'm about to move off as my instructors have never told me exactly what im looking for when I do it. For a few non important reasons I've had 2 instructors for these lessons and one of them never made me use the handbrake and so I never had to really search for the biting point (I just prefer doing it this way) and the instructor that I've decided to stick with makes me use it all the time, which gets tiresome but it's ok.

    All he's done is tell me when I've found the biting point and has never explained why it's wherever my feet are. I know the mechanics of it but I just don't how I'm supposed to judge what the Bite is and I'm not really sure why I haven't asked him but I haven't got a lesson with him for another week and so in the meantime I'm just curious as to what I'm looking for when I'm searching for the bite so next lesson he doesn't have to tell me when I've got it.
    Last edited by theonefrombrum; 02-07-2012 at 22:37.
  2. Lanithro's Avatar
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    Re: Biting point and finding it
    As you're on the biting point you'll see the bonnet rise slightly and your revs will start to drop a bit as the clutch rises over the bite, that's pretty much all I look out for
  3. Elwyn's Avatar
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    Re: Biting point and finding it
    The way you'll know your at the bite is when the car starts to move and the revs die down slightly.

    It's the kind of thing that will come naturally eventually. I know it's not much of a comfort now but give it some time and you'll be wondering what you were fussing about.
  4. Norton1's Avatar
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    You can usually feel the car sit back slightly.
  5. JustCharley's Avatar
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    Re: Biting point and finding it
    (Original post by theonefrombrum)
    Hi, I've had about 6/7 lessons so far and overall I'm happy with how things are progressing. I can drive to a good standard and am confident on the roads. Thing is, I've got a slight problem and it's that I sometimes don't get the bite properly when I'm about to move off as my instructors have never told me exactly what im looking for when I do it. For a few non important reasons I've had 2 instructors for these lessons and one of them never made me use the handbrake and so I never had to really search for the biting point (I just prefer doing it this way) and the instructor that I've decided to stick with makes me use it all the time, which gets tiresome but it's ok.

    All he's done is tell me when I've found the biting point and has never explained why it's wherever my feet are. I know the mechanics of it but I just don't mow how I'm supposed to judge what the Bite is and I'm it really sure why I haven't asked him but I haven't got a lesson with him for another week and so in the meantime I'm just curious as to what I'm looking for when I'm searching for the bite so next lesson he isn't have to tell me when I've got it.
    Put the car into first gear and keeping your foot flat on the clutch, slowly push down on the accelerator whilst slowly lifting your foot off the clutch until you get to a point where you feel the car drop a little, then release the handbrake and remove your foot off the clutch completely until you need to change up into second gear. You know you've gone past the biting point if you're over revving. In many new cars to find the bite you actually need no push on the accelerator whatsoever, so if the car over revs just from the slightest push on the accelarator, then all you need to do is slowly lift your foot off the clutch until the car drops.

    People stall even when they've past their test, so it's not too much a big deal if you can't get it right for the first 2/3 months of learning to drive. The more time you spend in the car the quicker you'll get used to the engine.
  6. Historophilia's Avatar
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    Re: Biting point and finding it
    It's something that you kind of learn to get a feel for.

    What to look for is a change in the sound the car makes and the car will start to move forward or strain against the breaks.

    It becomes instinct after a while, like changing gear.
  7. theonefrombrum's Avatar
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    Alright thanks everyone, this will really help me and it seems so simple, I look forward to practicing these methods next week.
  8. wibletg's Avatar
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    Re: Biting point and finding it
    (Original post by theonefrombrum)
    Alright thanks everyone, this will really help me and it seems so simple, I look forward to practicing these methods next week.
    If your instructor has dual controls ask him to show you using those?

    It's what my instructor did to show me how to balance the clutch and the accelerator, never had much trouble after that
  9. ROG.'s Avatar
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    Re: Biting point and finding it
    Use your ears and your bum - you will hear the change in engine note and feel your bum going forward a tiny bit
  10. skins345669's Avatar
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    Not sure why nobody has mentioned this yet, but you can also feel a tiny bit of resistance against the natural upward movement of the clutch pedal when you hit the biting point, i.e.; it gets a tiny bit lighter (don't have to press as hard)
  11. blueflower114's Avatar
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    Re: Biting point and finding it
    (Original post by theonefrombrum)
    Hi, I've had about 6/7 lessons so far and overall I'm happy with how things are progressing. I can drive to a good standard and am confident on the roads. Thing is, I've got a slight problem and it's that I sometimes don't get the bite properly when I'm about to move off as my instructors have never told me exactly what im looking for when I do it. For a few non important reasons I've had 2 instructors for these lessons and one of them never made me use the handbrake and so I never had to really search for the biting point (I just prefer doing it this way) and the instructor that I've decided to stick with makes me use it all the time, which gets tiresome but it's ok.

    All he's done is tell me when I've found the biting point and has never explained why it's wherever my feet are. I know the mechanics of it but I just don't how I'm supposed to judge what the Bite is and I'm not really sure why I haven't asked him but I haven't got a lesson with him for another week and so in the meantime I'm just curious as to what I'm looking for when I'm searching for the bite so next lesson he doesn't have to tell me when I've got it.
    Not sure if this video will help you.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZw33OFql8

    Basically you know when you have the biting point of the car because the noise of the car will sound different from when you switch the engine on. It's easier to learn the biting point in a diesel car because you can hear all the noise louder than in a petrol car.
  12. hypercaine.'s Avatar
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    You can feel it in your foot but if not, sometimes id look in my mirror and you know then too when the car tilts, kinda thing. For me, finding it wasnt a problem but moving off was especially at different gradients and stuff but im sure everyone found that!
  13. Converse Rocker's Avatar
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    Just remember that biting points are different in different cars, but after a bit more time you'll be totally fine with it.
  14. skiies's Avatar
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    You will learn to get the 'feel' of the car and biting point eventually. I kept stalling all the time because of it but now I 'feel' the car and she bonnet rise up slightly. Put the handbrake on and integrate between the gas pedal and clutch.
  15. theonefrombrum's Avatar
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    Re: Biting point and finding it
    (Original post by blueflower114)
    Not sure if this video will help you.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMZw33OFql8

    Basically you know when you have the biting point of the car because the noise of the car will sound different from when you switch the engine on. It's easier to learn the biting point in a diesel car because you can hear all the noise louder than in a petrol car.
    Hey, I was going through this thread this morning to remind myself of how to find the biting point before my lesson (which was cancelled) and I realised that I had forgotten to tank you for this vid, it was great to see a visual demonstration of it and I know that it will help me the next time im in a car.
  16. blueflower114's Avatar
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    Re: Biting point and finding it
    (Original post by theonefrombrum)
    Hey, I was going through this thread this morning to remind myself of how to find the biting point before my lesson (which was cancelled) and I realised that I had forgotten to tank you for this vid, it was great to see a visual demonstration of it and I know that it will help me the next time im in a car.
    Hey, that's no problem! It's nice to be thanked . Eventually you'll have to do show me tell me questions, I recommend that you use this site- I found it just yesterday after needing help with the questions: http://www.bitingpoint.co.uk/show-te...=show-tell-oil

    If you need help with anything else to do with driving just PM me- I have an awesome driving instructor I am learning with so I might have been through the stuff your going through whilst driving.
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