[cid]

Well me and my chums sit by the telephone waiting for the call to announce the counter attack and put an end to the colonial rebellion ...




... been waiting a while, I'm sure it'll come any day now *wipes cobweb off of musket* ...any day now.

[Craig_D]

(Original post by Christianlady)
Please expound?

I personally am ashamed of my ancestors (who are from the UK) if they were involved in the murders of Native Americans and/or involved in the slave trade. I have no idea however what they did. I just know my ancestors are mainly from the UK (including Scotland and Ireland, who as far as I know these countries aren't all that thrilled of being a part of the UK anyways). If they were far away from the UK, it is possible that they would not still be a part. The USA's distance from the UK, as well as help from France, greatly helped the English colonists fight for independence from the English Crown.

As for Australia, what I have heard concerning what English people (prisoners or whoever I don't really care) did to the natives really makes me sad.

(Original post by Christianlady)
... when studying about what English and Spanish people did to the Native Americans and the African people they brought as slaves, I just wanted to crawl under the desk.

(Original post by Christianlady)
Have you ever studied American history? Just curious. They became "Americans" after declaring independence from England. Funny how that works Before, they were English colonists who were expected to serve England.

I'm not sure if this terminology is part of 'passing the buck' in order to save America from having to take responsibility. The vast majority of atrocities against the native Americans were all after independence, and were therefore carried out by Americans:

Bloody Island Massacre 1850 - up to 400 natives killed
Bridge Gulch Massacre 1852 - around 150 natives killed
Bear River Massacre 1863 - up to 300 natives killed
Sand Creek Massacre 1864 - up to 160 natives killed
Marias Massacre 1870 - 217 natives killed
Camp Grant 1875 - 144 natives killed
Wounded Knee, 1890 - 153 natives killed

Before this, relations between the English settlers and the natives were generally positive, this only really changed after independence, in the mid-19th century when the idea Manifest Destiny kicked in. Not to say that it was entirely peaceful, the English settlers were massacred by the Indians in the Indian Massacre of 1622 (347 settlers dead) and Raid on York 1692 (100 settlers dead), and in response the settlers were responsible for the Mystic massacre 1637 (400-700 natives dead) and Apalachee massacre 1704 (247 natives dead).

[Craig_D]

(Original post by Christianlady)
It depends on how long the country was established. When exactly do people in the UK believe the UK was established? For Americans, we know it was 1776 when the USA was established. Since it is obvious that the UK is older than the USA, it would be interesting to take into consideration exactly how "old" the UK was when William Wilberforce and others fought against the norm to make slavery illegal.

England - Hard to define, but unified circa 950
Great Britain - 1707
United Kingdom - 1801

[Pitt1988]

Personally I don't give the day a seconds thought.

You wanted independence, you got yourselves together, fought for it and won it. Fair play. Talking about this always reminds me of this time I went to America though and was talking to this old guy, he wasn't sure if I was Australian or British. Anyway, I can't remember exactly what he said, but the way he said it gave the impression that we were the same, not in a 'white' sense, or even the sense that we come from the same peoples. But more in a way that put himself above British and Australians, as if we were the ones that were colonised by America, said in a sort of holier-than-thou tone.

Really irritated me anyway. That was the impression I got from many Americans I met to be fair, a complete ignorance to the fact that if it wasn't for British and European they wouldn't have their 'great nation'. Though I don't think we'd take it back if offered. The founding fathers must be turning in their graves!

[Logi]

Ah you're American. Well that explains a lot To answer your question we don't really care about American independence. In fact I think if you look into it a bit you'll probably discover that we were not even that fussed at the time.

(Original post by Christianlady)
horrifically, long time ago, African Americans were not allowed at the same school as "white" Americans.

You can try push the white guilt on us about the slave trade but we were one of the first countries to ban it. We also stopped segregation well before you yanks which wasn't a 'long time ago' as you claim.

[Cannotbelieveit]

American's are free to celebrate the 4th of July in whatever way they want, as a non-American citizen, I couldn't care less.

[Christianlady]

(Original post by Craig_D)
England - Hard to define, but unified circa 950
Great Britain - 1707
United Kingdom - 1801

Thanks

It took Great Britain 100 years then to end the slave trade?

Thomas Jefferson signed the law of the slave trade being illegal (but it became effective Jan of 1808) three weeks before the UK's Abolition the Slave Trade. However, that did not help the USA with regard to slavery. It wasn't until 1865 when slavery was officially abolished in USA through the 13th Amendment, which is less than 100 years later then when the USA was established.

Slavery was officially abolished in the UK in 1833, correct? With the Slavery Abolition Act? It is intriguing how the time period is similar to the USA, even though England and the UK is older than the establishment of the United States. Do you think it is relevant how correlate?

[Christianlady]

(Original post by Logi)
Ah you're American. Well that explains a lot To answer your question we don't really care about American independence. In fact I think if you look into it a bit you'll probably discover that we were not even that fussed at the time.You can try push the white guilt on us about the slave trade but we were one of the first countries to ban it. We also stopped segregation well before you yanks which wasn't a 'long time ago' as you claim.

Y'all are so funny. I don't know if you understand, but I am blaming my ancestors, not you. I don't think you came to the USA as an English colonist long time ago lol. However, it is very possible that my ancestors did.

It is a remarkable thing though how you tend to feel guilt. I have been told by other of my ethnicity that it is not our fault what our ancestors did, which I understand. However, I do wish they had done differently.

[Christianlady]

(Original post by cid)
Well me and my chums sit by the telephone waiting for the call to announce the counter attack and put an end to the colonial rebellion ...




... been waiting a while, I'm sure it'll come any day now *wipes cobweb off of musket* ...any day now.

LOL! Awesome!!! Love your sense of humor!

[Christianlady]

(Original post by Borderline)
What brought you to the Student Room? Do you plan on studying here in England?

Maybe someday.

However, I have learned on this forum that there is a lot of hostility against Americans from people in the UK. I wonder if I would face that in a university there? Personally, I'd love to go to Ireland or Scotland and study. I identify the most with my Celtic ancestry. My Mom and sister visited the UK, and they loved Ireland... I have a friend who is moving there soon. She has more Irish ties than I do (she knows family there) and we don't. However, when my Mom was there, she did search and find people with her maiden name, which thrilled her. I don't know what they thought of that lol, but many Americans most definitely do have English and/or Scottish and/or Irish ancestors.

Hello Borderline, Post #70 is where I answered your question to me.

[Miracle Day]

(Original post by Christianlady)
Hello

I am curious as to what the citizens of the UK nowadays think concerning the American Revolution and Independence Day of the USA from the UK?

It is something that you understand and agree with and are happy with the outcome?

July 4th is a huge and important day for Americans... has been since 1776!

What are your thoughts as the American Revolution and the struggle for Independence of the English colonists in the "New World" from the British Empire?

Thanks.

I can honestly tell you nobody gives a crap or thinks twice about it, I do however know it is a big deal to you Americans.

We're much more concerned with how a small Island is a world-leading country, has had the biggest empire in History and once owned a quarter of the world.

[Miracle Day]

(Original post by Christianlady)
Maybe someday.

However, I have learned on this forum that there is a lot of hostility against Americans from people in the UK. I wonder if I would face that in a university there? Personally, I'd love to go to Ireland or Scotland and study. I identify the most with my Celtic ancestry. My Mom and sister visited the UK, and they loved Ireland... I have a friend who is moving there soon. She has more Irish ties than I do (she knows family there) and we don't. However, when my Mom was there, she did search and find people with her maiden name, which thrilled her. I don't know what they thought of that lol, but many Americans most definitely do have English and/or Scottish and/or Irish ancestors.

Perhaps you should learn that Ireland isn't part of the UK.

[Gales]

(Original post by Christianlady)
Maybe someday.

However, I have learned on this forum that there is a lot of hostility against Americans from people in the UK. I wonder if I would face that in a university there? Personally, I'd love to go to Ireland or Scotland and study. I identify the most with my Celtic ancestry. My Mom and sister visited the UK, and they loved Ireland... I have a friend who is moving there soon. She has more Irish ties than I do (she knows family there) and we don't. However, when my Mom was there, she did search and find people with her maiden name, which thrilled her. I don't know what they thought of that lol, but many Americans most definitely do have English and/or Scottish and/or Irish ancestors.

Ireland is not a part of the UK.

[AlmostChicGeek]

(Original post by Christianlady)
Maybe someday.

However, I have learned on this forum that there is a lot of hostility against Americans from people in the UK. I wonder if I would face that in a university there? Personally, I'd love to go to Ireland or Scotland and study. I identify the most with my Celtic ancestry. My Mom and sister visited the UK, and they loved Ireland... I have a friend who is moving there soon. She has more Irish ties than I do (she knows family there) and we don't. However, when my Mom was there, she did search and find people with her maiden name, which thrilled her. I don't know what they thought of that lol, but many Americans most definitely do have English and/or Scottish and/or Irish ancestors.

I think perhaps its just against your specific views, rather than America as whole country.

[Pitt1988]

(Original post by Christianlady)
Thanks

It took Great Britain 100 years then to end the slave trade?

Thomas Jefferson signed the law of the slave trade being illegal (but it became effective Jan of 1808) three weeks before the UK's Abolition the Slave Trade. However, that did not help the USA with regard to slavery. It wasn't until 1865 when slavery was officially abolished in USA through the 13th Amendment, which is less than 100 years later then when the USA was established.

Slavery was officially abolished in the UK in 1833, correct? With the Slavery Abolition Act? It is intriguing how the time period is similar to the USA, even though England and the UK is older than the establishment of the United States. Do you think it is relevant how correlate?

I think the age of a country has little relevance to the amount of time it took for the abolishment of slavery really. The only thing I'd say though, while both nations abolished slavery at fairy similar times, you had African Americans fighting in Vietnam in the 60s who then, on returning home, weren't allowed in a whole range of places.

I don't think Britain has really had that same sort of racism. I mean, it was the end of the sixties, through the seventies and early eighties that Reggae hit the UK and it was embraced. The skinhead movement, that is too often associated with Neo-nazis, was actually a spin-off from reggae to two-tone and celebrated diversity.

[jlnbello]

(Original post by Christianlady)
Thanks

It took Great Britain 100 years then to end the slave trade?

Thomas Jefferson signed the law of the slave trade being illegal (but it became effective Jan of 1808) three weeks before the UK's Abolition the Slave Trade. However, that did not help the USA with regard to slavery. It wasn't until 1865 when slavery was officially abolished in USA through the 13th Amendment, which is less than 100 years later then when the USA was established.

Slavery was officially abolished in the UK in 1833, correct? With the Slavery Abolition Act? It is intriguing how the time period is similar to the USA, even though England and the UK is older than the establishment of the United States. Do you think it is relevant how correlate?

didnt the us end the save trade in the emancipation proclamation act of 1865?

[cid]

(Original post by Gales)
Ireland is not a part of the UK.

*still sat with musket*

soon ... soon.

[deejayy]

(Original post by Christianlady)
Thanks

It took Great Britain 100 years then to end the slave trade?

Thomas Jefferson signed the law of the slave trade being illegal (but it became effective Jan of 1808) three weeks before the UK's Abolition the Slave Trade. However, that did not help the USA with regard to slavery. It wasn't until 1865 when slavery was officially abolished in USA through the 13th Amendment, which is less than 100 years later then when the USA was established.

Slavery was officially abolished in the UK in 1833, correct? With the Slavery Abolition Act? It is intriguing how the time period is similar to the USA, even though England and the UK is older than the establishment of the United States. Do you think it is relevant how correlate?

Um sorry but your argument is sort of weak. It is irrelevant how old Britain is, because the slave trade began a long time after Great Britain/the UK was formed. So you can hardly say that Britain had 500 years longer to deal with the slave trade than the US.

[Christianlady]

(Original post by deejayy)
Um sorry but your argument is sort of weak. It is irrelevant how old Britain is, because the slave trade began a long time after Great Britain/the UK was formed. So you can hardly say that Britain had 500 years longer to deal with the slave trade than the US.

The slave trade (the selling and buying of slaves) is way older than 1707 and is not dependent on the establishment of a country. Please research the history of people buying and selling slaves. Thanks.

I did not say 500 years. Rather, if Great Britain did indeed establish itself in 1707, then it took 100 years for Great Britain to abolish the slave trade, no?

[Christianlady]

(Original post by jlnbello)
didnt the us end the save trade in the emancipation proclamation act of 1865?

Yep. I stated that in post #67:

"However, that did not help the USA with regard to slavery. It wasn't until 1865 when slavery was officially abolished in USA through the 13th Amendment, which is less than 100 years later then when the USA was established. "